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Can Europe be saved? Dimitri Lascaris with Professor Glenn Diesen

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good afternoon this is Demetri lascaris coming to you for reason to resist from Montreal Canada on December 6

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2024 nowadays Europe is in big trouble the governments of the eu’s two biggest

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countries Germany and France have effectively collapsed European political parties described as far right have

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surged in popularity those parties include the AF in Germany and the F

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National in France economic growth is sluggish to non-existent in the union debt levels are surgery so more more

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people are asking can Europe be saved now here to discuss this with me is Glenn dies Glenn is a professor of

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political science at the University of South Eastern Norway his research focuses on geoeconomics Russian foreign

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policy and Eurasian integration and thank you for joining me for the first time on reason to resist Glenn oh thank

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you so much for the yeah for the invitation so Glenn uh I’d like to start with the political upheaval in France uh

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Michelle B just resigned uh b a conservative was appointed by French

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president Emanuel mcon to be uh France’s new prime minister just three months ago

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uh barer was forced to resign after a no confidence vote in Parliament this was the first time a no confidence vote

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forced a French prime minister to resign in more than 60 years and Bar’s three-month tenure I understand was the

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shortest T tenure of any french prime minister in the history of the modern Republic now all of this is happening

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against the backdrop of the war in Ukraine which has turned into I think I think one can fairly say an epic debacle

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for Europe the US and NATO and the pro Ukraine Guardian just published a report

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which shows that this past November Russian forces experienced their largest territorial gain since the start of

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Russia’s military intervention in February 2022 I’ve read numerous reports Glenn

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about B’s ouer in the western press none of them suggested there was any link

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between his demise and the war in Ukraine in your opinion what are the reasons for the Swift demise of B’s

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government and are these events in France connected uh to the events in

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Ukraine I would say yes uh quite clearly but it also has a wider background I

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think this whole uh postc Cold War very globalist approach of uh of France has

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well this is is coming to an end and uh I think they’re pretty much holding on quite desperately now so I think this is

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what macron’s holding on to not only his own role but obviously the war in

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Ukraine is also quite important keep in mind this is not a uh this been very costly for the Europeans when they first

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began they were told that this war would uh probably not last very long the Russian economy could be collapsed

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fairly quickly uh by sending weapons in they would be the third and eventually

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capitulate on the battlefield and the world would isolate them so uh it didn’t go as planned and um the Europeans

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respon response was to double down now the great irony is that the Europeans saw this coming they if we go back to

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2008 when the NATO promised future NATO membership the Europeans were very much

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pressured into this and by the Bush Administration at the time and but they all knew that this would be a disaster

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at the time um Angela Merkel she she she recall that the Russians would consider

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this to be a declaration of war it would be yeah it would not just redivide the

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continent which NATO expansion involved but it would it would cross a very important red line for Russia and the

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Russians keep saying this this is an existential threat so anyways we ended up in this uh conflict with Russia and

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every time it goes from bad to worse we end up uh we that is in Europe uh

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doubling down escalating further and uh yeah sending all our weaponry and not

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not only by sending weapons and money to Ukraine uh but what’s happening in

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Europe as well when we become more dependent on the United States for security you know the Americans know how

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to use dependence immediately this security dependence is converted into

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econom demand for economic loyalty political obedience and we see this now it’s not enough for Europe to cut itself

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off from Russian energy now they’re told also to cut themselves off from U from

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uh the Chinese technology and Link oursel more and more to us in

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relative decline who’s also shifting Focus to Asia so none of this really makes any sense at all and

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um and uh as Europe goes now into de-industrialization you would think now

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Common Sense would really kick in and uh but instead the Americans have come into

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Europe and offering this uh inflation reduction act essentially economic

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incentives for uh European Industries which can’t compete anymore to go across

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Atlantic to the United States so they’re cannibalizing the industries is um yeah the French economic minister at the

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beginning suggested that the Russia could be crushed be very using

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very crude and well BR and brutal language and uh about yeah I think nine

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or 12 months ago the argument was that well uh the the Americans This inflation

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reduction act has become an existential threat to us so so things are shifting yet the policies remain the same and I

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guess this has been the great irony of macron because he was the one who called NATO brain dead at some point he was the

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one who warned that Europe should not become vassals of America he’s also recognized on several occasions that if

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Europe should be prosperous uh we we can’t redivide and remilitarize the

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continent and he’s also on many occasions recognized if you want stability and prosperity in Europe you

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can’t really have such a Europe without the largest country in Europe so this whole project we have in Europe through

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NATO and EU to construct a continent where everyone is included except for the largest country Russia that this was

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destined to revive all this cold war logic and War and this is where we are

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today I think yeah Europe less economic prosperous more politically dependent

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and increasingly irrelevant and uh this is the context I think in which this

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government collapse which you are correct I think this is the shortest serving prime minister in modern French

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history yeah a moment ago you said it would be viewed as an existential Threat

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by the Russians I I assume you were referring to Nato expansion yes Al yeah I should have been a bit more explicit

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well it’s important topic because this is the if you if you can’t appreciate that they are genuinely viewing this as

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an existential threat something by the way many Western leaders used to recognize that you can’t really understand the conflict

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at all and uh I think this reluctance to accept it is why we keep making a lot of

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mistakes and and uh am I correct Glenn that uh the front National and uh the

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Coalition of leftwing parties in Fran France’s Parliament the Lem National they currently command a majority of the

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seats and they are very critical of France’s policies towards Russia is that correct oh yes so the so when and this

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is what you see when a government isn’t pursuing its very basic national interests and instead uh yeah taking

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orders from this International institutions be the EU or NATO or the United States

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um a vacuum will be created in which uh the opposition parties will insist on uh

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pursuing national interests and National interest is no more of this war and begin to pursue some common sense and

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National interest but the but this is what happened in France they have they had an election if I’m not mistaken the

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macron’s party came in third but nonetheless you have then uh uh you know

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through this uh political what’s a good word uh

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scheming uh they end up uh in a position where macron nonetheless insists that he

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should be allowed to um you know set up a government and he’s able to play the

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right and left off each other and at the end uh yeah stab them both in the back so it’s a very temporary solution

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because uh none of the problems are addressed and of course the left and the right realize what what’s supposed been

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done the voters recognize it and um and uh but but they don’t accept any any

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substantial change to the politics which is why France will be ungovernable I think

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but nonetheless macron will not step down as this project has to continue yes

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he just made quite clear he intends to stay until 2027 um many Western media organizations

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Glenn are reporting that B’s resignation could jeopardize uh France’s ability to deal with its ballooning debt uh the

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country’s deficit is estimated to reach 6% of GDP this year and analysts say it

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could rise to 7% next year without drastic adjustments and of course this is well beyond uh the requirements uh

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that the European Union has imposed on member states uh for deficit spending

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now none of the reports I’ve read in the western media and I’ve read a number of them relating to B’s resignation say

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anything about French military spending uh B was arguing for austerity uh

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including cuts to the education budget but one month ago his government proposed an increase in France’s

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military spending from 47.2 billion euros in 2024 to 50.5 billion euros in

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2025 which is an increase of about 7% and all over Europe we are hearing

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calls uh for increased military spending as debt levels in uh the union climb to

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uh fairly uh dangerous levels I would say in your view does this make any sense what are the arguments for large

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increases in military spending in Europe and do those arguments stand up to scrutiny no but this is not unique to

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France either uh you can look across the border to Germany they have the same issue uh the de-industrializing all the

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traditional Industries heavy Industries uh also the car industry which is quite

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dramatic there it it’s all falling apart very quickly and there’s no room for Recovery they need to have radical

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economic reforms instead we’re saying them sending money to Ukraine they’re

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sending all their Weaponry to Ukraine and they’re arguing for oh now we have to remit TR spend billions of billions

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on Weaponry which they don’t have uh so it’s the same with France they they need

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to do something quickly because uh yeah their economic situation is continues to

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deteriorate and this is going to be more and more difficult to to uh fix the longer they

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wait but um but nothing is being done there’s the the the cuts are always found somewhere among the population you

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know you can go after school or health sector whatever you will um but you

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really need to address I think the military but again this is not a good time because France insist on that it

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should push more money into the military and indeed this is sort of the French

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leader source of leadership in Europe they’re very desperate to be seen as a leader especially macron he’s kind of

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the Napoleon that nobody wants to follow and um and this the situation for him is

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uh well if you have a militarized EU a geopolitical EU uh then leadership was

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assumed to shift towards the French if it’s an economic EU the the the leadership would belong to the Germans

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if you introduce a EU Army then the assumption would more of the power would shift towards the the French so the the

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French don’t they don’t want to touch the military budget but at some point they will have to and uh uh what will

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happen then is some big geopolitical changes as the military might of France

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begins to decline further and uh they want to obviously avoid this but this is something that’s coming uh obviously but

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um no the overall economic situation is just terrible we have this rules in the

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EU but no one actually well not say no one the the most powerful countries do not need to follow it because you know

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this is the EU now U but for the French they always had this problem they have high benefits for for their workers or

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at least they used to but the main dilemma they have in this new globalized economy is how do you compete

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traditionally in the capitalist system you would um try to strengthen the Collective Strength of Labor versus uh

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more powerful uh Capital but within the global system now with free trade they

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have to either um continue to push down salaries they strip them of benefits to

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be more more competitive otherwise the yeah the industries they

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can’t compete internationally so you see always this downward pressure on labor

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in order to build enough powerful Industries and you can only push this so far before things begin to crack and uh

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I think we already yeah pass this point and so one of the refrains one hears uh

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in Europe here and here in North America to justify massive increases in military

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spending is that if Russia prev in Ukraine its forces will move Westward

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and invade one or more NATO countries uh and some would even go so far as to claim that uh Vladimir Putin

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aspires to reconstitute the Soviet Empire um uh in your opinion is there

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any credible evidence to support the claim uh that uh Russia’s government and

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Vladimir Putin in particular have designs on NATO

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territory no and this uh there’s no evidence at all if there was an Evidence I I would have liked to see it but again

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this is even the narrative is all very very strange because the main argument we’ve had in NATO is that the Ukraine

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really needs to join NATO because the Russians would never dare to attack a NATO country so it’s imperative that we

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pull Ukraine into NATO at the same time we’re saying once the Russians defeated Ukraine they’re going to attack NATO uh

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so they going to move on to Poland the Baltic states so you can’t have it both ways either you know

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Ukraine should join NATO because they don’t dare to attack a NATO country or you know you can’t at the same time

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argue that they’re going to attack NATO after Ukraine but this is kind of the it’s all narratives now there no doesn’t

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have to be any logic and uh but the premise of this

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whole idea is that anything that Russia does is in a vacuum that is how to

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explain this war well you know they this military opportunism they went for Terror teritory they they want to

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restore the Soviet Union everything is about decisions make within made it within Russia Putin wants to strengthen

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his position all this stuff because we’re not allowed and I would emphasize

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that word allowed to discuss Russian security concerns this is something remarkable we have in the West for more

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than 30 years now nobody media politicians nobody wants to discuss the fact that Russia has security concerns

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or that we stepped all over them because and this is why we always Focus on this war that it was unprovoked this is the

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slogan everyone have to adhere to it’s a bit like in the Middle East where we all have to first you know condemn Hamas

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before we allowed to speak about conflict first we have to recognize that it was unprovoked because if unprovoked

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it means that is again happened in the vacuum but uh I think it’s very false go

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before 2014 no one in Moscow was laying any claims to any territories in Ukraine

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um no none of the ukrainians were worried about Russia uh back in 2014 only 20% of ukrainians even wanted to

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join NATO there was no security competition uh rivalry between the two states the only thing that triggered

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this was the coup in 2014 and the pending and well the quite obvious

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objective which was to pull Ukraine into NATO’s orbit this is what sparked the security competition again for Russia

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this was seen as an existential threat so they took drastic measures they took Crimea they supported the the uprising

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in donbas and suddenly of course yes now the ukrainians have real concerns but uh

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but this idea that it started in a vacuum and it’s just it’s very strange

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and it reflects this reluctance to address the key issue that we are the

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one who has been threatening Russian security as well right I think as I

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recall uh in fact the Russian Federation was paying uh somewhere in the range of $100 million a year the equiv of $100

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million a year to rent the naval facilities at Sebastapol in Crea which historically had belonged to Russia uh

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for many long time so clearly uh prior to 2014 if they’re actually paying rent

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for the use of Sebastapol uh that would strongly suggest there were no designs prior to the coup uh by the Russian

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government on Ukrainian territory uh but in any event I’d like to move now to uh

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Germany and um in November Glenn is you know uh quite well Germany’s coalition

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government also collapsed that Coalition was comprised of Chancellor Olaf Schultz’s social Democrats Vice

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Chancellor Robert hc’s greens and Christian lindner’s free

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Democrats uh it collapsed in early November when Schultz fired Finance Minister lintner following disagreements

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over how to revive Germany’s alien economy now many expected Germany’s

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Parliament to hold a confidence vote this month uh if it does so it’s seems likely that Schultz will lose which

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would precipitate an election in early 2025 uh and interestingly since his

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Coalition collapsed Schultz has suddenly developed an apparent appetite for peace

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talks uh in the Ukraine war and so in mid- November he held an hour-long phone

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call with Russian President Vladimir Putin uh this was the first direct communication I understand between the

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two men in nearly two years uh predictably uh Ukrainian president V zinski uh reacted harshly to the phone

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call saying that Schulz was opening up a Pandora’s Box and I also understand uh

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that my if I the reports I saw suggested that U that Schultz and his recent visit

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to Ukraine after his call with Putin was having a discussion serious discussions

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with zalinski about what a peace deal might look like what do you think is going on here do you think that Schultz

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actually has a genuine desire uh to finally bring this war to a merciful end

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or is this all just posturing in advance of an election in which voters are going

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to you know one of the issues they’re going to be very interested in in Germany is what is the what are the

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candidates position with respect to the Ukraine war so is this is this just theater or do you think it’s

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real well it has uh it could be a bit of both the theater I think is obvious

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because the part of the reason why this collaps as well was the disagreement over sending the toist missiles

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which yeah would be will amount to a direct attack by Germany on Russia so given Germany’s

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history of invading Russia this is uh yeah sensitive anyways uh I think the

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public turned very quickly against this they did they did not want this and uh

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so I think he could find himself on the right side of the issue if you will something that can allow him to survive

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politically as well so suddenly Schultz became the guy arguing for peace now I think

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that’s the the theater of the whole thing but it might also have some um

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some real some about some real developments because if you uh because if you look at the battlefield what

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what’s happened uh this has been a war of attrition in which you know you gradually bleed the adversary the

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Russians have won the war effectively we see that over the past few months the ukrainians are exhausted uh the front

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lines are now collapsing and what happens in a war of attrition when the front collapses well this is when uh

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territories are captured and this is what you now see as well the territorial acquis Acquisitions will begin to

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intensify so the war is coming to an end and at the same time we see Donald Trump being elected in the United States he

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will he wants an end to the War uh so I think it’s quite uh

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yeah we essentially have two different options now and this is what NATO’s been faced with throughout the whole War when

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Ukraine begin to struggle or fail what you do you can either escalate or you can um negotiate and this last round of

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escalation with attacking Russia directly with this long range Miss missiles which is effectively NATO

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attack on Russia it’s not merely helping Ukraine I think this is uh probably for

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many in Germany a step too far as well so it is um uh yeah it is it is problematic but

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this so going and talking to Putin you would think this wouldn’t be very

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problematic so I’m not sure what Pandora box of diplomacy he fears so much but

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but this is part of the the very strange mentality which has become normalized now across the West which is the idea

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that oh no we don’t talk to adversaries you know we isolate them we don’t want to talk to them as if you know this is a

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sign of virtue so and this is what we’ve been doing for almost three years we sit on the sideline watch hundreds of

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thousands of young men dying and even especially then mostly the ukrainians

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which we you know pretend to care about we see them perish through diplomacy we could have avoided some of the excess

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violence we could have put some limitations you know we could have possibly even negotiated a piece but

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instead we did the exact opposite boycotted all diplomacy and said oh look

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how virtuous we are we don’t talk to the bad Russians or or as the EU foreign

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policy chief kalas proudly proclaimed oh Putin is war criminal we don’t talk to war criminals

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this is how good we are you know even though it could have saved a lot of lives so this is the kind of nonsense

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but uh but yeah but I would you didn’t talk to war criminals how does she explain

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their Communications with Benjamin Netanyahu but oh no but that’s that’s a good Geno

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side no but but I think there’s some there a lot of opposition emerging

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in in Germany as well both on the right which is IFD and also on the left where you see huge changes and this is because

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again the the the political parties all conformed to what Washington asked for

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and the Americans were very clear in the beginning of 2022 when the sabotaged Istanbul peace agreement they wanted a

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long War seninsky he recognized this he even said in an interview with the

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economist in March of 2022 that there is Western countries who wants a long war

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with Russia so they can exhaust it even if it will destroy Dy us he said and um and and this is what Americans wanted

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and this is what they asking the Europeans to do and and this is why it’s

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continuing and uh but as long as the main parties follow this very foolish policy of course it’s going to create a

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vacuum in which new opposition appears both on the right and left and the Germans of all the Europeans they might

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be the most uh Hess pathetic I’m not sure what word to go for but if you look

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at the nordstream this is truly amazing um yeah I mean keep in

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mind what what has happened here the the Americans you know they when when this

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all began they said you know obviously it’s the Russians the Russians did this and they used and and they used this to

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you know legitimize bringing Finland Sweden into NATO it was also reasoning for why we had to militarize the Baltic

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Sea it was a reason for why we had to intensify or escalate the war in Ukraine

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and then now uh the Americans are saying oh no well it wasn’t the Russians we knew all along it wasn’t the Russians it

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was the ukrainians and weren’t able to stop it you know obviously I don’t buy this either but it’s fascinating that I

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admit now that they knew about this before it happened because this means that this is the admission they lied

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they they they lied about the Russians being behind it so they can escalate War there’s there’s no other possible

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explanation how else can you so it’s it’s it’s amazing and the Germans they

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instead of you know being concerned oh they Americans attacked our energy infrastructure now we’re de-industrializing and they’re sending

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in all this um and and what remains of Industries are being lured across to to

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the United States and they gave a medal to Joe Biden or up for Western

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Civilization or some some nonsense it’s just they rewarded him for blowing up their Pipeline and their economy was

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quite exactly it’s complete complete subord nation and of course then when you don’t when you humiliate yourself in

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this way you don’t stand up for National interest anymore of course you’re going to have a whole new opposition emerging on the right and left which doesn’t

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conform to this um to this new consensus which undermines them so it’s um yeah no

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it’s quite remarkable yeah I there’s something I’m very curious about Glenn

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i’ Cur like to know your thoughts on this in this sort of unfolding dialogue in the west about a

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peace deal might look like I I don’t think anybody from any major government has put on a a table a proposal that uh

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there’s any realistic chance of the Russians accepting but what appears to be the consensus appears to be um that

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uh that Ukraine should uh they should freeze the conflict there’ll be a demilitarized zone and uh Ukraine and

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even zalinsky I said I think has indicated his Ascent to this U they will not try to recover the

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lands currently occupied by Russia by military means he’ll somehow try to

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accomplish that by diplomatic means somewhere down the road but um I think

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this can be fairly described as a concession on the territorial front even though they’re not saying we’re going to

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recognize Russia’s permanent sovereignty over these uh parts of 1991 Ukraine um

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they’re they’re saying we’re going to stop trying to recover them by military means but on the other hand I haven’t

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seen any willingness at all from any major Western Government or Ukraine uh

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to concede on the point of Ukraine’s membership in NATO uh which I which I

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think you’re quite rightly uh indicated was the primary factor in the uh the uh

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the eruption of this War uh and I I would have thought that that would be the easier point for them to concede

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upon and that you know giving up territory would be a much harder ask why do you think they are being so stubborn

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about Ukraine’s membership in NATO when they themselves promised the leadership

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of the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand Eastward in exchange for the

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Soviet Union’s Ascent to the reunification of Germany I mean this just doesn’t make any sense to

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me well there probably has two reasons one would be the the format we have for

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Europe because when the cold war came to an end uh um you know keep in mind we we

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actually had the agreements with Russia for pan European security architecture of course we made the promises as

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referred to gbo but also in 1990 we actually did sign the charter Paris for

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new Europe in which we wouldn’t have more dividing lines we would have indivisible security this is also why we

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developed the oce in 94 um you know even

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Bill Clinton warned in January of 94 that if we do start to expand NATO we’re going to re redivide the continent again

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this is why you know George Kennan Matthew no not Matthew um not Matthew

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Perry what is this uh anyways it’s been a long day anyways a lot of the

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heavyweights in in Washington um began to argue very strongly against this

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because this was foolish so you might sorry you might have been thinking about William Perry William

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Perry sorry will imp yeah yeah so sorry uh

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yeah so you know he even he even made a point that everyone in the that everyone in the bill in Clinton administration

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recognized that this was a massive provocation and uh and you know he even considered quitting his position in in

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protest so but as he argued everyone recognized this was foolish but you know who who cares that was the main argument

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Russia’s weak it’s getting weaker again this was the 90s we can afford to make them our enemies again so and like

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people like madin Albright argued okay at least you know yes we expand NATO

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they will see this surrounding them it will be threatening however if we have a conflict at least we’ll have them surrounded by NATO so we we knew all

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along that what what would happen but anyways this has been kind of the main expansion of of NATO and NATO becoming

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the main U security institution in Europe so uh if we admit no more NATO expansion it

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puts a halt to this whole uh argument what we organized all of European

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security over I mean if you want to explain to a non European or non-western or the logic of yeah the main recipe for

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stability was just to expand the military block anti- Russian military Alliance closer and closer to Russian

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border and this was the recipe for stability and peace you know they might you know have some questions at least

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but we do not have questions and uh yeah so if if if we do admit this then it it

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could be the end of this whole era and I think the second issue is once we take

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NATO membership off the table there’s a we essentially admit that this was the

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source of the war because uh you know the main thing NATO saying now oh if it hadn’t been for NATO as the secretary

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NATO Secretary General says uh Ukraine would not have been able to defend itself as if Russia would a swall of the

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whole country which they never wanted or don’t yeah still don’t want but uh but

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instead they would have to admit that well we we we knew that NATO expansion would trigger a war again in 2014 we and

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we knew it would start a war we knew only 20% of ukrainians even wanted NATO and we did it anyways and so because of

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NATO we now have hundreds of thousands of ukrainians dead H loss of 20% of

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their territory um huge war in Europe and we at the brink of nuclear war that

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this was the source of it it’s very hard to turn back and it’s easier just say that Putin is a very very bad man

31:49

everything was unprovoked and folks on territory because as long as you talk about territory uh it suggests that this

31:56

is the source of the war but it’s not this is the symptom this is the the

32:01

result and uh this is why it’s also important to look at Istanbul in 2022 because at this point the Russians as we

32:08

learned from all the sources the Russians were willing to pull back completely uh to where they had been in

32:16

return for uh Ukraine to restore its neutrality so the main objective was

32:21

NATO and to Nato expansion and this is what we took off the table and now of course uh we do have a territorial

32:29

dispute but um but uh yeah so I think this is the main reason why we don’t want to talk about it so I’d like to

32:36

turn to another part of uh Europe and that is Romania uh which just held uh

32:42

the first round of its presidential election and the front runner uh after the first round is a person by the name

32:49

of Colin Jesu uh in advance of the second round which will be held uh I understand this

32:54

Sunday georgescu is promising to end Aid to Ukraine now uh Glen the Western media uh

33:01

described georgescu as far right uh now before this election I had never

33:07

actually heard of him before but when I saw the designation of farri right which I I sometimes have questions about how

33:14

we use that term in the so-called mainstream discourse in the west um his record raises serious questions to my

33:20

mind about this characterization so from 2010 to 2012 Jesu was a special reporter in the

33:27

Office of the UN High Commissioner for human rights uh and I understand from 2015 to 2016 he was the executive

33:34

director of the UN Global sustainable index Institute that doesn’t really sound like far-right activity to me but

33:42

um what do you make of this description of georgescu as far right do you think it’s a fair description and if so why

33:48

why not well it did take me a bit by surprise as well because this appeared to come out of nowhere but no I don’t

33:56

think it’s a a Fair description but this is uh the labeling we use to delegitimize others look at other

34:03

leaders who actually come to power in Europe if you look at fito in Slovakia or Orban in Hungary what happens they’re

34:11

calling for an end to the War uh effectively you know the majority of

34:16

ukrainians also want an enter the war just to make this point there’s not a single oblast left in Ukraine where majority wants to continue fighting so

34:23

but um but but on our side we see the Americans pushing to instead lower the

34:28

conscription to 18 so we can send more young P so you know there’s there’s the same

34:34

common sense and but we never discuss the arguments of you know Slovakia or Hungary instead what do we say oh they

34:40

are you know they’re put in puppets and so when the Romain I forget his name now

34:47

again but when you have this new Romanian Contender uh looking to take

34:52

possibly win then this is the same thing we use uh far right or they even call

34:59

them hard right extreme right all all these words to H discredit because um

35:06

once it’s once he’s discredited we don’t have to deal with his arguments anymore it’s just uh you know he’s a bit extreme

35:13

uh he might be you know working for the Russians and suddenly yeah he’s

35:19

effectively criminalized and this also allow certain amount of uh way to use

35:24

undemocratic means to also um or to well

35:29

essentially crush him and this is not a exess exaggerated thing to say because

35:35

look in Germany when they when the the main opposition now has become IFD

35:40

because of you know opposition to War what what do they say well you know both politicians and the media talk about

35:46

banning the main opposition because they are yeah dangerous they’re far right in

35:52

in France now sorry in Italy they might put salven in jail in France they might

35:57

put Leen in jail this is uh who we have become now same as in look in mova there was

36:04

just an election this was the most fraudulent fraudulent election the EU

36:09

has ever manipulated or pushed I think this was incredible and still this is

36:15

what they they done because they said well the alternative who’s the alternative well he’s Pro Putin he’s uh

36:21

he’s essentially betraying Europe Europe is democracy that means you can only pursue EU otherwise you’re not ratic and

36:29

the same goes now in Romania it right these people will emerge because this is not in our interest to re redivide the

36:37

continent militarize it and throw away our economies is quite foolish if we wanted to the common sense would be to

36:44

end this war uh have some economic contacts with Russia to the extent it’s

36:50

in our benefit and uh yeah end the subordination to the United States but

36:56

anyone who suggested suddenly become hard right far right and we won’t talk about them anymore so if Geor escu wins

37:03

in Romania he’ll join uh two individuals you just mentioned Hungarian prime minister Victor Orban and Slovakian

37:10

prime minister Robert FICO as critics of EU support for Ukraine uh Romania seems to have played

37:17

a pretty important role in NATO’s military support for Ukraine uh do you

37:23

think that potentially if Jesu wins and sticks by his position that his country

37:30

will end support for uh Ukraine’s war effort which presumably would mean uh no

37:36

more Weaponry passing through Romania to Ukraine do you think that has the potential to be a GameChanger in terms

37:42

of European policy towards the Ukraine war or do you think they’ll simply find a way to circumvent uh or crush his uh

37:50

opposition to the Ukraine war effort well uh yeah the question remains

37:56

if it’s allowed to to win and if it’s allowed to if he wins allowed to actually pursue the policies

38:02

he suggest but no you’re correct I mean the two key entry points

38:08

into uh Ukraine in which uh the NATO countries send weapon is through Poland

38:14

and Romania you find a lot of the logistic centers the yeah and the

38:20

general supplies now obviously Romania has um some benefits coming up from the

38:26

south uh next to the Black Sea um it’s easier perhaps to to supply uh Odessa

38:33

but uh it’s it will make NATO too reliant on on Poland which affects

38:42

overall supplies but it also would then create more congestion and easier

38:48

targets for the Russians if they want to take out some of the Weaponry so it would definitely put a clear Dent into

38:56

NATO’s uh war on proxy war on Russia by the way Boris Johnson recently said yes

39:02

this is a proxy war against Russia so now we’re apparently allowed to say this uh before it was Russian propaganda but

39:09

anyways uh I think this will impact greatly the the war but it’s also the

39:14

political aspect which is you know when it was only Orban uh trying to have peace uh you know going to Ukraine going

39:22

to Russia China trying to see if there was a diplomatic path to peace uh the EU

39:27

responded by punishing him by punishing Hungary uh because this was dangerous he

39:33

was breaking with the EU consensus a consensus which is upheld by cotion by

39:38

the way H but now of course when the slovakians have joined in and now possibly Romania as well it’s going to

39:45

be very hard to keep the proar consensus up U also because you’re seeing the

39:51

pressure build up uh the Italians have also began to turn turn a bit cold against this whole m escalation of the

39:58

war and uh again you see whoever continues this war policy be it the

40:03

Germans or the French cracks will begin to emerge as well because these are truly mad mad policies yeah I think

40:09

Georgia Maloney may be looking at what’s happening in France Germany Romania and elsewhere and wondering whether you know

40:16

she’ll be next if she continues to support this war effort but uh I want to talk to you about the impact of Donald

40:23

Trump on all of this uh he of course has during his first ter term was uh quite critical of NATO uh constantly uh well

40:32

regularly chastised European governments other NATO governments for not spending

40:37

enough money on their military uh although his cabinet

40:44

elections uh tend to be uh quite uh prone to War uh he did campaign on a

40:50

promise to end the Ukraine war and and my question to you is you and I know this is a difficult

40:56

question to answer uh Glenn it involves a lot of sort of prognostication in a complex political environment but if in

41:05

fact Russia does uh achieve a point on the

41:10

battlefield where it can effectively dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine so it’s simply now no longer

41:16

possible for anybody to argue with a straight face uh that Ukraine has not lost this war and Trump exceeds in some

41:24

manner to the reality that UK is defeated do you think that NATO can survive this uh and if if it in its

41:32

current form I mean and if if it if you think it can’t what if anything do you think is likely to replace NATO might

41:39

there be a smaller NATO would we just have you know independent European states that aren’t part of any formal

41:45

military alliance with the United States or what is your expectation about this

41:50

the future NATO yeah that’s interesting can I just make one more comment on Trump because I just have to point out that many people take him now almost as

41:57

given but he is a bit of a wild card because he you know he doesn’t care too

42:02

much about NATO he’s willing to take it off the table it appears so he has everything you need to end the war and

42:08

also wants to end the war with within 24 hours so there there’s reason for to be

42:13

optimistic about peace but he also Prides himself as being the ultimate deal maker and when you know he pushes

42:20

put a lot of pressure and bullying uh you know threatening to bring hell on Earth unless uh you know take the offer

42:28

so but again they don’t have much of an offer they don’t have much bargaining power anymore with the Russians and the

42:34

Russians have demands which are quite uh difficult to sell on the Home Market you know they want restoring Ukraine’s

42:41

neutrality which is no more NATO and um they also want uh territorial concessions that is the four all blasts

42:47

which were lost uh they has to be accepted and of course restoring you know the basic human rights democracy

42:54

religious rights to minorities in Ukraine so they so it’s going to be very hard to get all of this and it’s so if

43:01

Trump doesn’t get what he want and he then starts to to Max Pressure he might

43:06

just end up as as another Biden so it’s not clear he will push this piece but I

43:12

I so it seems more more likely this will be solved on the battlefield which begs the question how Trump would react um

43:19

yeah that being said it’s uh the future of NATO I think is uh is in question uh

43:25

because uh obviously when when you have an external threat the main thing that

43:30

happens is everyone rally rallies and push for internal solidarity against

43:35

external threat this is you know basic in human nature uh but and the and then the NATO NATO keeps

43:43

making this point that oh Putin has made a line stronger than ever now you

43:48

know he wanted less NATO on his border as Stenberg said now he has more as if this was an objective on its own uh so

43:57

but beyond I think below this rhetoric there’s definitely some a lot of cracks

44:03

emerging uh as uh the hungarians pointed out they wanted to join a defensive Alliance to have security not to join an

44:11

alliance which will go to war against the world’s largest nuclear power which hasn’t attacked them I mean this is uh

44:17

yeah pure mad Madness and I think once the war is O over and there has to be some Reckoning of the what we’ve done to

44:24

this our security to our economy and the and all the lies that have been told

44:30

um and you know because we could have this war could have been avoided very easily and it wasn’t so uh at this point

44:38

in time I think yeah NATO itself can come under immense pressure and um and

44:44

it it it could crack again the basics of it is has always been that the Americans

44:49

offer security to Europe uh and in return they get the influence on the continent a final say there’s always

44:56

been this pressure the Americans want the Europeans to pay a bit more the Europeans want to have more political

45:02

autonomy and there’s always been this bit of wrestling but now of course the Europeans have made themselves so

45:07

dependent on the United States that they are yeah that they’re willing to

45:13

subordinate themselves completely meanwhile the United States has less to offer in terms of uh security and the

45:21

the reduced or the fewer much fewer sorry the the relative power in

45:27

Decline it’s not even going to be focused on Europe they’ve made it quite clear their main interest is in Asia it

45:33

doesn’t matter if it’s a you know Republican Or democrats they will go to Asia so they have less to offer Europe

45:39

and they don’t want to focus too much on Europe and meanwhile Europe is subordinating itself completely uh in in

45:45

my country Norway they we’re opening up American military bases left and right which we never accepted before in the

45:52

hope that the Americans will not forget us that we will uh increase market value

45:58

in Washington’s calculations it’s a it’s this can’t be sustained this is um yeah

46:04

I think something’s going to go wrong in this point you can either have uh failing military lines which tries to

46:11

reassert its purpose which is very dangerous or you can just have a crack with a big Power vacuum emerging I’m

46:17

hoping that if we see a decline in NATO which could be Poss could be positive because we did Aspire One point in time

46:23

to overcome block politics but we should go back to to the idea of having an inclusive pan European security system

46:31

one not against non-members but one we seek security with other members a bit

46:36

like what the French and Germans did after World War II I think this is where we have to go but uh uh there’s not so

46:42

much optimism in me anymore and Trust in the rationality of our European leaders

46:49

certainly not the current crop of them completely concur with you uh the

46:54

last thing I want to talk to you about uh Glenn is your recent article regarding uh Joe Biden’s pardoning of

47:01

his son uh Hunter Biden um and just by way of background for those of our uh

47:08

audience members who aren’t too familiar with this um you describe in your article uh that uh back in 2014 three

47:17

months after the US backed coup in Ukraine uh Hunter Biden uh and a close

47:23

family friend of US Secretary of State John kery became board member of a Ukrainian Energy company called

47:30

barisma and uh the compensation which uh barisma agreed to pay to Hunter Biden

47:37

for serving as a board member was $50,000 a month despite Hunter Biden

47:44

having no expertise in the gas industry which was burisma’s business or in

47:49

Ukraine now uh after reading your article I checked the data on board

47:55

compensation for S&P 500 companies and uh this year 2024 the average total

48:02

compensation for S&P 500 board members is $327,000 a year uh barisma was not big

48:11

enough to be an S&P 500 company I don’t think if it was remotely close to big enough to be uh an S&P 500 company and

48:17

yet seven years ago it was paying to hun bid in an amount that is almost twice as

48:23

big as the average compensation for S&P 500 directors in

48:28

2024 so it it it seems to be to me at any rate that the only plausible reason

48:34

for barisma to pay that much money to Hunter Biden uh is that his father was

48:39

vice president of the United States and had more or less been assigned by uh then President Barack Obama to manage us

48:47

uh interests in Ukraine so my question to you Glenn is what do we know other

48:53

other than the uh you know the uh stratospheric comp compensation that burisma agreed to pay to Hunter Biden

48:59

for inexplicable reasons what do we know about Joe Biden’s dealings with barisma

49:04

and you know what evidence is there in your view that there was actual corruption involving the current

49:11

president of the United States back in uh 2014 well we know that the the well how

49:19

do you prove corruption you would have a general prosecutor uh perhaps

49:24

investigating it and this is what Ukraine had they had a General prosecutor Victor Shin who opened a

49:29

corruption case against bhisma simply because of the the corruption there and

49:36

uh and this of course then also involved Hunter Biden so what did his father do

49:41

Joe Biden well he he then pressured um

49:47

for the for shin to be fired he effectively withheld economic aid to Ukraine unless they would fire uh their

49:55

General prosecutor and you know some might say oh this sounds like a maybe a conspiracy theory but he did this in

50:01

front of camera he was bragging about it how much power he was able to wield over KB and this is something that shockin

50:07

later on made argument about as well he said after the coup the the United States they began to take key control

50:15

over the main in parts of government keep in mind that in 2014 the Americans

50:20

put in their own um an American to take over the role as Finance Minister of

50:26

Ukraine uh Natalia Jesco she she used to work at the American Embassy in Kiev and

50:31

then in 2014 they gave her a Ukrainian passport on the same day she became the finance minister so day one you

50:37

represent American interest in Ukraine day two you represent uh Ukraine the

50:44

you’re the finance minister so that this was a taking over and again this is what was different from 2004 because keep in

50:51

mind we’ve done all this before but ukrainians voted to restore you know some common sense but the Americans

50:58

thought to take over key control over the economy to shift a lot of this interest

51:05

to us so this was something everyone did what was unique with Biden is he put his son into the game effectively and his

51:10

son doesn’t have um well he has a bit of a problematic personality in history as well which may draws a lot of attention

51:17

to him and as you said he doesn’t have any background in energy or Ukraine yet

51:22

he had this high paid position and uh as we’ll learn later on from the Biden laptop you know he would get his father

51:32

involved in in this businesses of his and uh yeah it was a way of running

51:37

running Ukraine U Running part of its energy sector H we learned this back in

51:44

2023 in which it was Deon Archer who who then was a business partner of Hunter

51:51

Biden who who argued that uh yeah not just Hunter Biden but um Jo Biden had

51:57

been deeply involved in you running bisma and using Hunter as

52:03

a as a yeah as a way of influencing or speaking to the US government as well

52:10

anyways Hunter Biden’s been a huge problem ever since uh his um keep in

52:17

mind that as he was pardoned a key issue was also of course this uh Hunter Biden

52:23

the laptop Scandal uh and this is story of a massive fraud in US election people

52:30

get upset and argue it’s a conspiracy theory when they said that um the election of 2020

52:37

was stolen well one first have to unpack what this means because what did happen in 20120 was uh this by Biden laptop

52:44

came out it showed a lot of corruption by Joe Biden and his son uh and um and

52:52

uh and you know do you would think this would influence the election but instead you had much like in the first Russia

52:59

gate hoax you had 50 Intelligence Officers signing a letter that this was Russian disinformation and then they

53:06

pressured the the the yeah Twitter Facebook all of them to essentially ban

53:11

the story from being shared even Mark Zuckerberg has admitted this that that

53:16

they were pressured into censoring the hunter Biden laptop store so this was huge election

53:23

interference and um so this whole story of Hunter Biden it’s obviously a story

53:29

many would like to see go away um because it’s been

53:34

um yeah they whole pardon as well keep in mind it wasn’t only for some gun and

53:40

tax issues he was pardoned he was pardoned for all crimes he has done and

53:45

may have done so maybe crimes he hasn’t been accused of yet between 1st of January 2014 and uh to the present date

53:53

so it’s so it’s more than 10 years it’s yeah it’s 11 years which happens to be

53:59

the exact time period of the Biden family’s involvement in Project Ukraine

54:05

so this is uh you know I call it also Joe Biden um pardoning himself because

54:12

if you want to take him down you probably will go through his son so it’s it’s a crazy Scandal but it shows the

54:19

what is happening um related to former discussion the Democracy across the West

54:24

it’s it’s not doing well um yeah with potentially dire consequences for us all

54:31

living in this part of the world uh Glenn thank you so much for your time uh it’s been a great uh uh privilege

54:38

speaking with you and I hope we can do this again in the future I’ve been looking forward to speaking with you so yeah definitely anytime and uh this is

54:45

Demitri Laris coming to you from Montreal for a reason to resist on December 6th 2024

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LIVE: Putin Retaliates Hard on Kyiv, Sends it in Darkness After the Assassination of Russian General

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYb9VNWavM)

Russian President Vladimir Putin responds forcefully to the assassination of a high-ranking Russian general, launching retaliatory strikes against Kyiv. In a dramatic escalation of the ongoing conflict, Putin’s actions have plunged Kyiv into darkness, marking a significant shift in the military confrontation between Russia and Ukraine.

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UN Special Rapporteur EXPOSES Crime Of The Century

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd6bM0ETG-I)

This is why Israel wants to silence her

Francesca Albanese, United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories

Transkripzioa:

0:00

What’s happening in Gaza is the shame of the century.

0:03

Gaza has been erased there is almost nothing left,

0:07

other than the despair of people who continue to perish there.

0:10

Look at the acts of torture, look at who’s been killed,

0:13

doctors, nurses, students, mothers’s, children, 17,000 children,

0:19

to look at what the soldiers have done and said.

0:22

And then have the courage to say that this is not genocide.

0:25

This genocide would have not been possible

0:27

without the shocking, shocking cover up by the media.

0:33

The role that corporate media played in justifying crimes

0:38

in spreading misinformation like the 40 beheaded babies:

0:43

We have some really disturbing new information out of Israel

0:47

the Israeli Prime Minister spokesman just confirmed

0:50

babies and toddlers were found with their heads decapitated

0:56

in Kfar Aza in southern Israel after Hamas attacks,

1:00

in the kibbutz over the weekend.

1:02

The basic ethical principles governing their profession.

1:07

I choked up earlier reading this new revelation about 40 babies being killed.

1:13

Oh my God.

1:13

And some of them being beheaded.

1:15

And I was like how, how can any human being do that to a baby

1:21

The role of international media of Western media in acting in defence

1:31

of the acts of a genocidal  State this is unprecedented  

1:35

but it’s also revealing of the  global situation we are facing.

1:39

And this is not just the genocide of the Palestinians committed by Israel

1:44

a number of Western countries are complicit and so this is an opportunity

1:49

to interrogate the system we live in the checks and balances

1:53

we have as a global community.

1:55

How people in the West trying to stop the genocide have been repressed

2:01

there is momentum and goodwill to make a change

2:03

and people feel at a loss because they look at their politicians

2:06

who are in bad faith especially those who claim to be human rights lawyers.

2:10

A Siege is appropriate cutting off power cutting off water Sir Keir?

2:14

Well I think that Israel does have that right.

2:18

They know that you cannot advocate for starvation

2:20

they know that you cannot doubt that a genocide is ongoing

2:25

where an International court of justice has recognised

2:27

the plausibility of genocide.

2:29

You should act upon the recognition of that plausibility.

2:32

I’m well aware of the definition of genocide and that is why

2:35

I’ve never described this and referred to it as genocide.

2:38

This genocide is also the consequence of the  enduring impunity that Israel has been granted  

2:45

since its foundation Israel has been allowed  to violate hundreds of un resolutions and this  

2:51

is the result a state that behaves as if  it was above the law and the states that  

2:58

becomes repressive again against those who are  trying to hold it accountable let me be clear  

3:05

I have nothing against the state of Israel the  state of Israel is a recognized member of the  

3:11

United Nations and because of this I’ve always  respectfully think the beginning of my mandate  

3:17

trying to engage with the state of Israel however  I cannot tolerate that the only modos operandi  

3:24

and the only way of existing of this state is by  dispossessing oppressing repressing another people  

3:31

if the only way of Israel to exist is by being an  aparte State well we have a problem here and this  

3:37

is where the conflict is and Israel could be led  by Buddhist atheist Muslim Christians it wouldn’t  

3:44

change the problem is not with the religious  underpinning that Israel maintains it’s with the  

3:51

abhorent human rights records that Israel has this  protracted impunity of Israel including in the  

3:59

face of clearly war crimes crimes against humanity  and plausibly genocide should have been followed  

4:07

by critical measures taken by the UN Security  Council the general assembly lacking which member  

4:14

states should have acted upon their own obligation  under international law not to Aid and assist a  

4:20

state which is committing atrocities a state  that maintains an unlawful occupation which is  

4:25

to be dismantled totally and Unconditionally  by September 2020 5 according to the general  

4:31

assembly in the face of all this what remains  of the international legal system so we are at  

4:38

a critical juncture we still have the possibility  to step back from the precipice we are staring at  

4:47

but we need to act in order to change that pattern  of lack of accountability this is why I think that  

4:55

it’s important that where democracies or quasi  democracies still exist ordinary citizens people  

5:01

from all Paths of Life make their voice heard to  change the political will to hold our politicians  

5:07

accountable our institutions accountable to  make sure that for example in the UK you have  

5:13

citizens who are fighting in the Israel army you  have UK citizens who live in the settlements how  

5:19

it’s possible these people should be held  accountable British Banks Pension funds and  

5:25

businesses who profit from and trade with the  IL legal occupation it’s time to hold people  

5:33

accountable the reason why I have recommended the  suspension of Israel’s credentials as a member of  

5:40

the United Nations is not even because of the  genocide is not even because of the apart it’s  

5:47

because of the assault that Israel has launched  against the United Nations in the past 13 months  

5:53

it started with a Prohibition of the United  Nations to have humanitarian Aid entering  

6:00

and deliver to the Palestinians in Gaza and then  he continued with the assault on un premises in  

6:07

Gaza 70% of them have been severely damaged and in  certain cases destroyed 237 un staff members have  

6:17

been killed in Gaza alone un peacekeepers have  been attacked and they continue to be attacked  

6:24

in Lebanon and there has been an entire smear  campaign against the United ation starting with  

6:31

Andra and then the Secretary General who’s been  declared to Persona together with myself and the  

6:37

general assembly and the Human Rights Council  the international criminal court every one of  

6:43

us has been accused either of being anti-semite  or supporting terrorism of or both and recently  

6:51

Israel even passed a law that prevents anra from  operating in Israel which means inability to  

6:57

enter the occupied Palestinian territory what is  this I mean this is such an incredibly negative  

7:03

president that is going to give cart blanch  to destroy the UN wherever they are but I I  

7:09

do think that no one no one has the uis that has  grown into Israel’s veins because of 75 years of  

7:16

impunity that the United Nations have granted to  the states what is striking is the lack of empathy  

7:24

if you cannot empathize with the Palestinians who  have been killed in those thousands of thousands  

7:30

and been maimed their homes have been destroyed  there is nothing to return to and they’ve lived  

7:36

for one year under constant bombing moving from  one place to another really on survival mode how  

7:43

cannot we empathize with them with their tragedy  this speaks to our racism the double standard The  

7:52

Selective moral oage The Selective indignation  that we Harbor is a reflex and is a function of  

8:01

how we have a hierarchy certain lives are more  worthy than others clearly the Palestinians do  

8:08

not rank very high for many it’s dehumanization  that leads to the commission of these atrocities  

8:15

and that’s Justified the Erasure of Gaza the  killing of Palestinians including children  

8:21

and even the torture and rape this is one  case in which we cannot miss the genocide  

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intent which must be attributed to the state and  its totality of conduct its totality of crimes  

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against the totality of the Palestinian in the  totality of the land that Israel occupies I like  

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to remember the words of primoli a holocaust  Survivor who took his life because he couldn’t  

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survive the apathy of the world he found out of  the concentration coms and he said musters are few  

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atrocities happen because of the indifference  of the many who do not ask questions ordinary  

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bureaucrats ordinary citizens who look the other  way around this has happened during the Holocaust  

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of the Jews this has happened during the Rwanda  genocide during the bosnan heroina genocide it’s  

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more shocking now because with the international  framework of Human Rights Norms we have there  

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should be prevention and even more shocking now  because everything is televised this is where  

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we are I hope that this is the last genocide of  human history it could be if we were only able  

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to understand the critical juncture we are at  to take this moment as an opportunity to learn  

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from the past to see the past into the present to  understand the warning that was given by Holocaust  

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Survivors never forget the past because the  Forgotten past risk to become a new present  

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and this is what has happened in many respects  but also knowing that the international legal  

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framework is not ineffective per se is rendered  ineffective by the lack of political will which is  

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a function of political connivance and interests  it’s in our interest as a people with the people  

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to make international law not just a promise  but a reality because we will miss it very  

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much especially as in the west when human rights  will be entirely eroded in some time in the coming  

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future I cannot predict in how long we will have  to come to terms with the fact that we will not be  

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able to say that we didn’t know because this have  been a Liv streamed 247 genocide we knew in real  

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time what was happening why it was happening the  excuses that were made by the media and politic  

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i s in Israel and Beyond across the West we will  have to come to terms with our own conscience and  

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I think there will be a lot of regrets but  because of that I say let’s act now to stop  

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the genocide look had it been for Independent  Media including in the west particularly in  

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the West in fact we wouldn’t know much about  what’s happening in the occupied Palestinian  

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territory and so God bless you and I hope that  you you will have more and more supporters

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