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Beyond the Dollar: Quest for Financial Independence

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Jewish Prof. vs Zionist Heckler

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdgHNVRJr8)

Short Summary

A heated discussion unfolds regarding the tragic events in Israel on October 7th, resulting in civilian deaths, including children.

Participants assert horrific acts were committed, including the murder of children, while challenging the accuracy of claims about babies being harmed and mass rapes, citing a lack of evidence.

The existence of a massacre is agreed upon, but participants diverge on specific details and narratives surrounding the events.

The conversation shifts to the challenge of finding compassion for those who commit such acts. One speaker shares a different worldview shaped by personal experiences, specifically working with Palestinian women affected by Israeli actions.

Historical injustices faced by Palestinians are highlighted, referencing past massacres and a lack of public awareness about these issues.

The dialogue illustrates a deep divide in perspectives regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with one side emphasizing the need to acknowledge all victims and historical context.

The discussion concludes without resolution, reflecting the complexity and emotional weight of the topic.

The importance of understanding different perspectives, particularly in the context of trauma and historical events like the Holocaust, is emphasized.

The speaker expresses frustration over the inability to communicate effectively with those who may hold different views, acknowledging the ongoing debate in the Jewish community for over a century.

Detailed Summary

00:00:00 In this segment of the lecture, a heated discussion unfolds about the tragic events that occurred on October 7th in Israel, where a massacre resulted in the deaths of civilians, including children. One participant asserts that there were horrific acts committed, including the murder of children, while another challenges the accuracy of claims regarding babies being harmed and mass rapes, stating that evidence for these claims is lacking. They agree on the existence of a massacre but diverge on specific details and the narratives surrounding them. The conversation shifts to the challenge of finding compassion for those who commit such acts. One speaker expresses a different worldview shaped by personal experiences, including working with Palestinian women who have suffered under Israeli actions. They highlight historical injustices faced by Palestinians, referencing past massacres and the lack of awareness among the general public about these issues. The dialogue illustrates a deep divide in perspectives regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with one side emphasizing the need to acknowledge all victims and historical context, while the other focuses on the immediate atrocities. The discussion concludes without resolution, reflecting the complexity and emotional weight of the topic.

00:05:24 In this segment, the speaker discusses the importance of understanding different perspectives, particularly in the context of trauma and historical events like the Holocaust. They reference Edith Edgar, a Holocaust survivor who chose to forgive rather than hold onto anger, emphasizing the need to understand people’s behaviors rather than labeling them as “animals.” The speaker expresses frustration over the inability to communicate effectively with others who may have different views, stating that this debate has been ongoing in the Jewish community for over a century. They acknowledge the difficulty of discussing such sensitive topics and apologize for becoming defensive during the conversation, highlighting the complexity of emotions involved.

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to your lecture and you talked about

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compassion of recognition compassion of

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understanding compassion of Truth find

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it in ourself first I’m going to ask a

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very difficult one October 7th yeah when

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the horrible Massacre happened in Israel

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yeah where young children were murdered

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burnt babies in Ovens that didn’t happen

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there were no babies in ens oh yes they

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were no there weren’t that’s been

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refuted even by the Israelis there were

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no there weren’t there were there were

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no babies in ens but but but let’s agree

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hold on let’s agree on what we do agree

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on okay a horrible Massacre happened

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people were killed in their homes

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civilian hold

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on raped St look let’s agree there was

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bad enough without adding stuff to it

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okay now I’m telling you there’s been no

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evidence of mass deliberate rapes no

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such evidence oh my gosh I’m sorry

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there’s no such evidence oh yes of

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course there was no there isn’t there

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there a woman in the united nation that

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came to Israel and did the research and

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brought those evidence to the let I’ll

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let you I’ll let you finish your

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question my question is how do I find

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compassion for these people which people

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the animals that did that the animals

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that did that I get your point of view

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okay in your point of view everything

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you read actually happened the way

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you’ve read it hold on a second I’m

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telling you what I understand your point

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of view to is there was mass rapes

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children beheaded put into ovens so on

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okay now objectively I’m telling you I

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looked at all the evidence I could there

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were horrible massacres let’s agree on

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that okay there were hostages including

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young children and elderly people

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civilians that should never have been

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captured that were taken into a

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captivity let’s agree on that okay on

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the specific issues of babies in ovens

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and mass rapes you and I are not going

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to agree cuz I looked at evidence that

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you haven’t looked at but hold on a

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second let’s just let’s just agree on

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what we do agree on okay let’s take your

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question how do we have compassion for

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these animals well I’m not going to get

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into a big political rant here but I’ll

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tell you what I think very quickly okay

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if I saw the world from the perspective

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that you see the world from I would 100%

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agree with you but that’s not how I see

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the world number one number two I’ve

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been to Palestine 2 and a half years ago

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I went there to work with Palestinian

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women who’ve been tortured in Israeli

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jails which has been documented by

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Israeli Physicians for human rights by

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bet salum the Israeli human rights

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organization by United Nations and

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others nobody ever talks about the

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thousands of Palestinians did you know

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that two Palestinian doctors were

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tortured to death recently by Israel

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doctors tortured to death now my

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question to you is and I’m not going to

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go into the history this is not the

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place for it but I have a different view

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of the history I used to see it the way

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you do I don’t anymore I’m not going to

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go into I do see the the history cuz

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this is not the just just let me finish

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honest to God I’ll let I’ll give you the

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last word I promise you I do promise to

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give okay history did not begin October

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the 7th and here’s what I know in Canada

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4 years ago there was a poll a national

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poll the thousands of children died in

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those schools people were tortured raped

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all kinds of stuff not even

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controversial there was a poll in Canada

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70% of Canadians 4 years ago said they

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knew nothing or little about their

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residential schools 70% of Canadians

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knew nothing or little about the

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residential schools to what happened to

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indigenous people if you do a poll in

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the United States based on all the

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Hollywood movies that people have seen

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until very few years ago and even now

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and most people will know nothing about

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what happened to the indigenous people

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here nothing the genocide the torture

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the rape the starvation they know

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nothing about it and in some states in

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the United States it’s illegal to even

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to teach it in the schools now do you

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you think the average jeun knows

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anything about the indigenous people of

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Palestine no no just a second just a

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second so these animals that you talk

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about you know the first massacre of

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Palestinians in Gaza didn’t happen last

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year didn’t even happen 45 years ago

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when they killed hundreds of children

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with their bombs it happened in

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1956 just let me second just a second in

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1956 they massacred 200 civilians do you

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know about it do you know about it

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you’ve never heard of it of course you

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haven’t heard of it that’s why you can

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call them animals otherwise you’d see

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them like human beings like the rest of

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us anyway I’m done go

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ahead

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yeah so human beings can murder and rape

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and maim and cut breasts of women that’s

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okay no it’s not okay well that’s that’s

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the message you’re giving did I say it

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was okay that’s the message you’re

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giving that’s the clap some how many how

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many of you heard me say that it’s okay

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to rape and kill people raise your hands

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you’re I will finish with one thing by

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the way there is a Nova by the way how

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do you how do you feel about the rapes

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of Palestinian women by the Israeli Army

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in 1948 that’s a false no it’s not yes

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it is no it’s not you know you know what

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you want to believe me read the Israeli

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historians well I can give you our

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opinions I live it no no I can give I

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live it I I can give you the names let

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me tell you one thing in United States

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we teach kids I’m sorry you will let me

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finish in United States we teach kids

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how to be in BM in fire alarm okay I’m

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done this is this is what happens people

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is you and I don’t live in the same

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world but let me tell you one thing this

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is not about you and I okay there was a

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Jewish survivor of the Holocaust called

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Edith Edgar have you ever heard of her

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yes okay she’s a therapist here in

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California she was on the same train

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into AST as my

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grandparents okay no no okay I’m talking

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I’m telling you something now okay I’m

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not debating with you anymore you and I

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don’t live in the same world we don’t

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you’re a good person good heart we don’t

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live in the same world just let me

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finish either was in the same train to

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our shoes as my grandparents her parents

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were on the same train my grandparents

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didn’t survive she didn’t her parents

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didn’t survive either she did and at

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some point in her book called The Choice

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which is worth reading she goes back to

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burkhoff I think which is Hitler’s lair

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in the Bavarian Alps and she goes back

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there to forgive Hitler okay and she

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says not because it’s okay what Hitler

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did but because I didn’t want to keep

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him prisoned in my heart anymore so I’m

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not here to preach forgiveness but I’m

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telling you that place where we call

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other people animals if you want to live

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there that’s your choice I don’t want to

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live there I want to understand people I

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want to understand what happened to them

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I want to know why they behave the way

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they behave I’m not into justifying

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taking civilian hostages I said that was

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unjustifiable why you didn’t hear me I

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don’t know I said there were massacres

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that shouldn’t have happened why you

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didn’t hear me I don’t know you know why

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you didn’t hear me because you live in a

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bubble that’s why anyway anybody by the

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way wants to know about my visit to the

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occupied territories there’s a film

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online you can watch called where the

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olive trees weep this is difficult this

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is really difficult it’s difficult

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because this debate has been going on in

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the Jewish Community for over 100 years

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now not that you know that but it has

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been going on for 100 years it’s going

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on especially right now and you can see

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how whether I’m right whether my friend

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here is right whether neither of us are

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right just how big the feelings are and

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it’s even for people of good will like

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you and I and I know you respect me you

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wouldn’t be here otherwise you know it’s

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so difficult to communicate it’s so

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difficult by the way before I go on I

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need to say something I apologize to you

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okay you were asking a question and I

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allowed myself to get triggered and get

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into an argument with you so I apologize

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to all of you it’s an example um it’s an

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issue I lived with all my life

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you do not have credibility you don’t

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listen and they keep telling you the

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same messages still you don’t listen

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listen to them listen to international

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law listen to what the UN stands for

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don’t try to change things and to tailor

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a system which is a system completely in

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contradiction with what we all agree to

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that will never happen wake up why does

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the United State often appear to disgard

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international law from R interventions

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to economic sanctions America’s actions

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on the global stage have spack debate

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and criticism worldwide let’s dive into

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the reason behind this Behavior watch

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and pay attention and I will share my

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thought later the United States

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fundamentally rejects the international

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Criminal Court’s decision to issue

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arrest warrants for senior Israeli

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officials we have been clear that the IC

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does not have jurisdiction over this

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matter and we are deeply concerned by

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the prosecutors rush to seek arrest

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warrants as well as troubling process

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errors that led to this decision

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moreover this decision does not make the

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pursuit of Peace any

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easier the representative of Algeria has

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asked for the floor to make a further

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statement I give them the

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floor thank you Madame President

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asked for the floor

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to respond to

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some

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allegations that I will not even stoop

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down as low to respond to this was

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exploited by the representative

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of by that representative who is

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speaking a language that

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is

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immoral I will not even be

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responding to

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allegations

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some are not even

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Humane response to to a blood someone

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who’s bloodthirsty and who kills women

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and children is not

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deserve to be made at this table a

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response to a person who everyone here

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in

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headquarters and around the

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world is witnessing a genocide

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perpetrated against a population that is

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defenseless

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Andes to hold fast to the hope of uh

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International

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intervention and

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certainly does not deserve to have a t a

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voice here at the

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table and they deserve to have a voice

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at the table and as an independent state

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in the United Nations thank you I thank

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the representative of Algeria for their

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statement colleagues can I just remind

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that this is an official meeting of the

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security Council and all participants

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are expected to observe ve appropriate

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standards of tone and

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conduct the permanent Observer of the

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Observer state of Palestine has asked

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for the floor to make a further

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statement I give him the

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floor I’m terribly sorry Madame

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President for taking the floor

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again but uh I

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think uh a representative of an

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occupying

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power that has

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his government and his army killed more

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than

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44,000 Palestinian civilians and

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possibly 10,000 more under the

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rebels and injured more than

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100,000 Palestinian civilians most of

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them are women and

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children does he really has the

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credentials or The credibility to speak

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about the Palestinian people and his

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concerns about

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them he represent a government the head

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of it is a war criminal in which a

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warrant of

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arrest by a very important Court Global

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Court the

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IC has issued that warrant of arrest for

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him

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and the entire membership of the IC

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including all members of the European

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Union all the states who are friends of

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the state of

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Israel announced in the name of Mr Bell

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their foreign minister that all member

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states of the European Union member of

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the

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IC and

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others said that they honor and respect

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the independence and the position of the

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CC and even today the 15 members of the

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security Council the representative of

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the occupying Authority the

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representative of those who

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committing

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genocide was not listening to anyone of

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you because all of them they said to you

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stop the crimes Stop The Killing stop

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the starvation send assistant to the to

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the Palestinian people in Gaza including

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in Northern Gaza don’t stop the

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humanitarians from conducting their

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business you don’t listen you listen to

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the noise in your head but you don’t

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listen to the distinguished member of

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the security Council who are some of

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them advising you with a solidarity with

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you and you don’t even listen it’s

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either your way and the highway and it

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is going to be the way of the

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International Community the security

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Council and you are going to be running

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on the highway you do not have

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credibility you don’t listen and they

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keep telling you the same messages still

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you don’t listen listen to them listen

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to international law listen to what the

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UN stands for don’t try to change things

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and to tailor a system which is a system

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completely in contradiction with what we

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all agree to that will never happen wake

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up listen to the International Community

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listen to Justice listen to fairness

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listen to the people who want their

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hostages to be released not to be killed

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in daily basis ceasefire ceasefire now

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hundreds of million of people are saying

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that in all corners of the globe listen

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to them including in Israel including

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Jews in the United States of America and

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their youth in universities and colleges

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they’re telling you ceasefire cease fire

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now this is how the hostages will be

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released you’re not listening to anyone

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you’re listening to extremism to

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fanaticism to the extremist in your

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government to the extremist in your

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society and therefore you are

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perpetuating this war and we will all of

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us led by international law succeed in

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either making you listen and

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understand or forcing you to listen as

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all people like you in the past were

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forced to listen to the will of the

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people in all corners of the globe and

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international law and the security

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Council thank you Madame President I

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thank the permanent Observer of the

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Observer state of Palestine for his

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statement I reiterate to all

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participating delegations the importance

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of maintaining decorum in the chamber

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the representative of Israel has asked

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for the floor to make a further

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statement I give them the floor thank

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you Madame President in my speech I use

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the facts Mr Mansour you are an expert

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of blaming Israel we don’t have to come

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to your event tomorrow for 77 years in

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this organization you always said no and

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you blame Israel for everything what I’m

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trying to offer you is future to discuss

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future for Palestinian in Gaza but in

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order for that to happen you have to say

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no not to Israel to say no to Hamas once

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you will have the courage and the

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ability to say no to Hamas no to

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terrorism you can speak about future for

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Gaza you can speak about future of the

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Palestinians that’s what I’m saying I’m

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not taking your position but I’m telling

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you that if you want to move forward you

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have to say no to Hamas and yes for

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cooperation if you want to play the

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blame game you became expert on that you

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will continue to do it tomorrow but look

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what you did in the last 77 years since

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Israel was established and you rejected

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the petition plan here at the UN look

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what you did personally in the last 20

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years that you are sitting here that you

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always said no and blamed Israel think

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about the future of the Palestinians

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thank you very

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much I thank the representative of

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Israel for their

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statement the representative of the

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permanent Observer of the Observer state

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of Palestine has asked for the floor to

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make a further statement can I reassure

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you we have listened coely to your views

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and in the interest of time I will give

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you the floor one final time to conclude

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your remarks thank you I I thank you

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very much and I apologize for taking the

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floor I challenge the ambassador of

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Israel I accept Security Council

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resolution I accept General Assembly

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resolution

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we recognize the state of Israel you are

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not recognizing the state of Palestine

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on these basis on the basis of

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international law on the basis of the

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charter I am willing and eager to chart

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a path positive path for peace you are

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the one who is refusing all these things

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it’s not us our president came to this

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Security Council and said many times I

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am ready to negotiate the end of

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occupation I am ready to negotiate peace

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and two State solution living next to

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each other it was on always you and your

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government the rejectionist refusing to

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open doors for peace you want from us to

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be negated your it legislated that only

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Jews have the right to exercise

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self-determination between the river and

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to the Sea you completely ignored us and

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you trying to say that you are for peace

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and I am against peace I accept the

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judgment and the position of all of my

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colleagues when we go

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peacefully and legally and in in a very

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sophisticated way to the general

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assembly asking them do we deserve the

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right to

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self-determination and when they give me

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between 17

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170 to 180 votes saying on the basis of

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the charter the Palestinian people do

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deserve uh to exercise their right to

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self-determination including a two-state

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solution who is the one who is working

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for peace and who is the one who

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shredded the charter of the United

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Nations from the Chamber of the general

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assembly and who is the one who said in

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the general assembly you are

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the immoral majority in the general

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assembly it was your representative then

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my colleagues I accept their judgment if

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we go for a voting among our colleagues

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our peers who is working for peace and

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who is working for the killing of the

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Palestinian people as we see it in the

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Gaza Strip I think the answer is obvious

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but you will not accept the Judgment of

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our colleagues you want to impose on us

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your judgment which is not accepted by

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anyone and that’s why you are isolated

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and you’re still insisting to change

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that Reality by distorting the situation

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trying to accuse a person who is working

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all of his life for peace and trying to

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say that you are working for peace and

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not the representative of the State of

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Palestine that’s why I’m telling you

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wake up listen to those many of them are

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your friends in the general assembly

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many of them are your friends they’re

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telling you what you’re doing is wrong

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change your behavior change your

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policies so that we can have peace so

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that we can end this illegal occupation

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and have the two-state solution and I

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will not speak anymore Madame President

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now thank you for your patience and uh

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all of my colleagues thank you I thank

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the permanent Observer of the Observer

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state of Palestine for his statements

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international law is supposed to create

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a framework for peace and cooperation

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among nations but cries argue that

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United State as a global superpower

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frequently operate outside these rules

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why let’s break it down first we need to

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understand the mindset of a superpower

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the United States viewed itself as the

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leader of the Free World a road that

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often lead it to prioritize its interest

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over global consensus this belief in

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American exploitation ISM often justify

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action that might violate International

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Norms to US policy makers international

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law is seen as a secondary to National

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Security and strategic goals why because

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being subject to this law could limit us

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sovereignty or expose American leaders

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and military personnel to prosecution

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take the 2003 invasion of Iraq despite

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widespread International opposition and

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a lack of un authorization the US

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proceeded citing the need to address

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security threat similarly sanctions

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imposed on countries like Iran and

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Venezuela often bypass un approval

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raising questions about their legality

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for example as a permanent member of the

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UN Security Council the us can V to

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resolution that did not align with

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interest effectively bypassing

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accountability from guatam Bay to drone

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strikes these actions often lead to

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accusation of hypocrisy foiling

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anti-American sentiment worldwide why

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this may not happen overnight steps

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toward multilateralism and dialogue

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could help build Global trust and

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strengthen the rule of law what do you

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think is the United State justify in its

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action or should it do more to respect

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international law let us know your

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thought in the comment Bo below until

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next time cheers and have a good one

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