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Mohammad Marandi reacts to TRUMP’S DANGEROUS PLAN TO OCCUPY GAZA

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Mohammad Marandi reacts to TRUMP’S DANGEROUS PLAN TO OCCUPY GAZA Watch Mohammad Marandi react to Trump’s dangerous plan to occupy Gaza and what it means for the region. Stay informed on current events in Gaza and the Middle East with this insightful analysis. He discusses the Gaza ceasefire deal and the role of Middle Eastern countries.

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today, Professor Mohammad Marandi.

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Professor Marandi teaches at the

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University of Tehran. Professor Marandi,

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welcome back to India and Global Left.

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Thank you very much for inviting me

1:08

again. I want to discuss

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what’s going on in Washington, DC

1:14

The US will take over the Gaza

1:16

Strip, said Donald Trump

1:19

Tuesday yesterday at a press

1:22

conference in Washington with his buddy

1:24

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

1:26

Netanyahu. We will own it, he

1:29

said, proposing to convert Gaza into a

1:31

new real estate named Riviera.

1:34

I just wanted to ask you, what’s your

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first impression on two things?

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One is to have a

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criminal in the White House

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being given such a reception, and

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secondly, this total disregard

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for any kind of international norm and

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being such a lunatic state as the US is

1:54

always, but so

1:57

brazenly your first impression on these

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two accounts.

2:03

Well, the White House has always housed

2:06

criminals, so you shouldn’t

2:08

expect criminals not to be

2:11

invited as guests.

2:15

Trump is no more or

2:18

no less criminal than

2:20

Biden or Obama. Biden

2:23

brought about the genocide in Gaza. He

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gave the ammunition and the weapons and

2:29

the aid. alongside the Europeans

2:32

and others and regional

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countries like Turkey, like Egypt,

2:38

like Jordan, like the Emirates. They

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facilitated the genocide through

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trade and business. And

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so there are a lot of people who are

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responsible for the genocide.

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And Trump

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isA genocide

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supporter. So he’s no different from

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Biden. And then, of course, Obama, who

3:03

carried out the genocide in Yemen

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alongside the Saudis and the Marathis and

3:09

Europeans and NATO. And then of

3:12

course, the destruction of Libya.

3:15

And as we saw

3:17

recently, Tulsi

3:20

Gabbard in the Senate

3:23

confirmation hearings. She spoke about

3:26

The Dirty war in Syria and about the fake

3:28

chemical attacks and how the United

3:30

States and its allies like Mr. Erdogan,

3:33

among others, supported Al Qaeda and

3:35

ISIS and Syria and finally brought them

3:37

to power. So Trump

3:40

is he has no special

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place in this list of

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genocidal leaders

3:48

or supporters of genocide.

3:51

But I think of course, obviously his.

3:55

statements were void of any

3:57

morality, shameful and

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discussing, but I don’t think it’s,

4:03

at least my interpretation is that it’s

4:04

not a serious um

4:08

plan. I think that

4:11

obviously the people of Gaza,

4:14

the Palestinians there, they

4:17

show that they’re not going anywhere

4:20

after surviving.

4:24

a 16 month long

4:26

Holocaust. But I

4:29

think the real objective is

4:32

probably, and this is just my personal

4:34

speculation,

4:37

is that Trump

4:41

is in a stronger position than

4:43

Netanyahu.

4:46

Netanyahu was forced to accept the

4:47

ceasefire because of the resilience ofThe

4:50

resistance, the axis of resistance,

4:55

Hamas, Islamic Jihad,

4:58

Hezbollah, Al Sarullah, and all of them

5:01

together, put a lot of pressure on the

5:03

Israeli regime and ultimately Trump

5:05

forced the ceasefire.

5:08

And I think that that

5:11

puts him in a commanding position

5:13

compared to Netanyahu.

5:16

And in this

5:19

meeting,I think Trump sort of gave

5:22

this as a said

5:24

this in order to strengthen Netanyahu’s

5:26

position so that Netanyahu would continue

5:29

with the ceasefire. That’s I

5:31

I think that’s how it’s working. I think

5:34

that right now, Netanyahu has a

5:37

problem because he promised his

5:40

fanatical allies in the cabinet that

5:43

he will continue the war and he’ll go

5:45

back to the war. But

5:49

I think Trump doesn’t want war, not

5:50

because he’s a great person, but because

5:53

he he wants quiet. That’s how I see it.

5:57

And so Trump is giving, he’s probably

5:59

given, he’s given some concessions like

6:01

the bunker busters that will be used to

6:03

kill people and innocent people in

6:05

future. And probably he will

6:10

give concessions in the West Bank, I

6:12

assume. Again, it’s speculation.

6:16

But I think what he wants from Netanyahu

6:18

is for him to continue with the

6:19

cease-fire. And so he said this in order

6:22

to make Netanyahu’s coalition

6:24

partners happy. And I think

6:27

they are happy because they’re hoping

6:29

that they can expel the Palestinians.

6:32

So I think maybe the reason why he did

6:35

this was not because he really wants to

6:37

do it, but he wants to strengthen

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Netanyahu’s

6:42

hand. And keep him in

6:44

power and thus Netanyahu will give

6:47

him a concession and that is not to

6:49

expand the war. And also probably

6:52

Netanyahu wants the United States to

6:54

attack Iran. And of course

6:56

that’s I think that would

6:59

bring down the Trump regime

7:02

if there was war with Iran. So I think in

7:05

order to get, you know, AIPAC off his

7:07

back, Netanyahu off his back.

7:10

And to push for the second phase of the

7:12

cease-fire, he said, OK, we’re going to

7:14

empty Gaza of Palestinians and

7:17

we’re not going to implement the third

7:19

phase of the deal. But I think he wants

7:21

at least to get to the second phase,

7:23

finish the second phase of the cease-fire

7:26

agreement. That’s how I see it.

7:29

That’s how I’m interpreting it, because I

7:31

can’t see any scenario when the United

7:33

States goes into Gaza and tries to clear

7:36

out Gaza. It’s not going to happen.

7:40

And no country in the region can

7:42

afford to help them out. I mean,

7:45

true Egypt, Jordan,

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Mr. Erdogan,

7:52

the Emirates, all of them collaborated

7:56

with Israelis or cooperated with

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Israelis, but none of them can afford to

8:00

take in refugees, because I think that

8:02

will be the camel

8:05

that the the straw that breaks the

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camel’s back. In

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fact, when Netanyahu left for

8:13

DC, his finance minister Basil

8:16

Smotrich was threatening to collapse his

8:19

government if he doesn’t restart the

8:22

war with Hamas again. And apparently he

8:25

seems to be a bit happy with what

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Trump has said. But I I

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want to ask you that.

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A key question that has been left out

8:36

open within the cease-fire is

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the question of who rules Gaza.

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And the the answer seems has to be

8:45

quite obvious. It has to be people of

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Gaza who would elect, who would rule

8:50

them. But it seems that Israel,

8:53

the United States and vast majority of

8:55

the West, even France and Germany, which

8:57

came out and condemned what Trump said on

9:00

Tuesday, said that. But we stand by

9:03

the fact that Hamas should go. And it

9:06

seems to me that Trump’s instigation

9:09

kind of blackmails the

9:11

Palestinians to

9:15

to have their own leadership if Hamas

9:17

is their overwhelming charge, which seems

9:20

to be the case. Your comment on that

9:22

observation?Well, first I have to point

9:24

something out and that is that. It

9:27

may be that Trump actually tries to take

9:30

over Gaza. I’m not saying that it won’t

9:32

happen. And my

9:36

inter my

9:38

analysis, my what I feel that

9:40

Trump may be after does not lessen

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the the sheer immorality of his

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statement. And the world should

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mobilize against Trump in the

9:51

United States and condemn him

9:54

for this and to put pressure on regional

9:56

countries to stop. Cooperating with the

9:58

United States and these verbal

10:00

condemnations by governments, these are,

10:02

these are useless. You know, there has to

10:04

be pressure. So I’m not belittling what

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he said. I’m just saying that I don’t

10:09

think that he’s serious about emptying

10:10

Gaza. And it is hypocritical

10:13

that these European regimes

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are condemning him for what he said

10:19

about Gaza, but they supported the

10:21

Holocaust in Gaza. So it’s OK to

10:24

slaughter. the Palestinians,

10:27

but it’s not okay to expel them from

10:30

their land. There is no,

10:34

they’re not taking a moral position.

10:35

These are immoral leaders, just as

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immoral as Trump.

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But I don’t think Trump is, or the

10:44

Europeans are in any position to impose

10:45

anything on Gaza. And Hamas is not

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going to give up

10:51

anyPower or

10:54

authority because they have popular

10:55

support and the allies of Hamas, like

10:58

Islamic Jihad, they are going to

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strengthen Hamas and all of their

11:02

partners in the resistance in Gaza will

11:04

stick with them. The Palestinian

11:06

Authority has no popular support in the

11:09

West Bank. They’re not popular either. In

11:11

polls that were recently carried out,

11:13

they only had a very small

11:16

segment of. Support among the

11:18

population. And those are largely people

11:21

who are corrupted by the system. And

11:23

that’s how the Israelis have been working

11:25

for decades. That’s how the West works.

11:26

That’s how these all these Western NGO’s

11:28

work in Lebanon and elsewhere. They

11:30

corrupt societies and they

11:34

and through them they bring about regime

11:37

change, color revolutions or

11:41

other forms of misery upon people. So

11:44

the Palestinian Authority.

11:47

Is only in power because the Israeli

11:49

regime is behind them in the West Bank.

11:52

But in Gaza they have absolutely no

11:55

chance whatsoever of taking

11:58

over. And we have to all recall that

12:02

you know what happened after the

12:03

elections and how the and how

12:06

Hamas won those elections. If there were

12:08

elections held today, have no doubt that

12:10

not only would Hamas and its

12:12

allies together win in Gaza, they

12:15

would win in the West Bank. But the

12:17

Europeans and Americans, they have no

12:19

interest in democracy. They never had any

12:21

interest in democracy. I think that

12:23

facade that is all gone now

12:26

by after Gaza. I think no

12:29

sane person believes that the West

12:31

believes in human rights or women’s

12:34

rights or children’s rights or any or

12:36

freedom of speech or anything like that.

12:38

That is all out the window. And

12:41

again, it’s it’s just like the Europeans

12:43

condemning. Trump for saying the

12:45

Palestinians but must go. But for 16

12:48

months, almost 16 months, they’ve been

12:49

helping out with the Holocaust.

12:54

The world has to learn how to live with

12:56

Trump, who openly

12:59

threatens the sovereignty of any country.

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But it’s difficult for the

13:04

West to learn to live with someone

13:07

that. The Palestinians

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elect for themselves. I want to ask you

13:13

about the so-called Abraham

13:16

Accord. Given Trump is

13:19

said to be the one of the architects of

13:21

of that accord, which is normalizing ties

13:24

between the absolutist Gulf states,

13:27

including Saudi Arabia and Israel,

13:30

something that Noam Chomsky, when we

13:33

communicated, he used to come to our show

13:36

often and he said that it’s. A coalition

13:39

of reactionary states put together to

13:42

put a further blow in to the rights of

13:44

the Palestinians. Saudi

13:47

Arabia and every other state in the

13:50

region has reacted against

13:53

what Trump said. Does

13:56

this put Trump’s

13:59

own Abrahamic card at stake?

14:04

Well, one a couple of things actually

14:07

that. I can say on about this is

14:10

that whether it’s the Abraham Accords

14:15

or whether it’s just this, you

14:18

know, this claim that regional

14:20

countries are. going to support

14:23

the removal of the Palestinian people.

14:27

What Trump is doing is he’s weakening his

14:28

own allies. He’s weakening this

14:31

these despots because

14:35

whether he’s lying or not,

14:38

that, you know, and whether they really

14:42

in secret agree with him or not

14:44

to to to to try to remove the Palestinian

14:47

people. A lot of people are going to

14:50

question their governments. They’re going

14:51

to question these regimes, people in in

14:54

in these Arab dictatorships in the

14:56

Persian Gulf or in Egypt or in

14:59

Jordan or elsewhere. They’re going to ask

15:02

themselves, are our governments

15:04

secretly negotiating to to to

15:08

help the Americans and Israelis remove

15:09

the Palestinians?So even if it’s not

15:12

true, it raises questions and that

15:15

undermines the

15:17

legitimacy. of these regimes in the eyes

15:20

of their own people. So what Trump is

15:22

doing by making these claims

15:24

is that he’s weakening his own camp. He’s

15:27

weakening members of his own camp. He’s

15:29

weakening these regimes that are

15:32

already weak and vulnerable even

15:35

further. And so

15:38

whether it’s the, and and if it’s the

15:40

Abraham Accords,It’s the same because

15:42

right now, after what happened in Gaza

15:44

and the Holocaust that we saw there, now

15:46

the brutality, the sheer brutality that

15:48

we’re seeing in the West Bank and of

15:50

course the genocidal attacks in Lebanon

15:52

and so on, no

15:55

one can really, you know,

15:58

pursue the Abraham Accords and

16:01

not be afraid. I mean, the Saudis, I’m

16:04

sure, would be very worried about

16:07

taking a step in that direction after

16:09

what has happened in Gaza. So

16:14

it’s going to, if if they do move in that

16:16

direction, there it’s going to be

16:18

costly and dangerous. But in any case,

16:21

Trump has weakened his own allies. He’s

16:23

weakened these practices. And it’s very

16:26

interesting, by the way, that the

16:28

Syrian, the the terrorists who rule

16:31

over Syria right now, the Europeans are

16:34

fine with the terrorists, but they want

16:37

Hamas to go. They’re fine with

16:39

al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

16:43

And you see these diplomats and you see

16:45

these politicians from the UK and

16:47

elsewhere going to visit them. But

16:49

Hamas must go. So the people who

16:52

carried out 9/11, the people who carried

16:55

out beheadings, the people who burned all

16:57

these people alive, the people who would

16:59

drown people in cages, these are all

17:01

good. Jolani

17:04

or Sharat. He killed thousands of

17:07

Iraqis and with car bombs in

17:10

Baghdad and other cities. That’s fine. He

17:12

can, you know, he’s a good guy. And

17:15

And it’s and you know, one of the things

17:17

I think is really important is that to

17:19

keep in mind is those those people in our

17:21

region who support these these

17:24

terrorists in Syria, their position is

17:26

very hypocritical because on the one

17:29

hand, they don’t trust the United

17:31

States. They say that the United States

17:33

is. Evil and how it

17:36

conspires against the Palestinian people.

17:39

But on the other hand, they’re on the

17:40

same side as the Americans, and they’ve

17:42

been on the same side as the Americans in

17:44

Syria for the last 1314 years.

17:47

So they’ve been helping the United States

17:49

pursue its dirty war in Syria to to

17:51

destroy Syria along, you know, Mr.

17:54

Erdogan. He’s responsible for the deaths

17:56

of hundreds of thousands of Syrians.

18:00

These people have, they’re

18:02

answerable. They have to, they have to

18:04

answer that question. How is it that US

18:06

policy in Syria is something that you

18:08

support, but you condemn it

18:11

in Palestine?But in any case,

18:15

I think that the

18:19

it’s going to be virtually impossible

18:21

after what has happened in Gaza to

18:24

bring any of the

18:27

regimes in the region. Even those that

18:29

have relations with

18:32

with Netanyahu, like Erdogan, like

18:35

Abdullah of Jordan, like Sisi, and like

18:38

Mohammed bin Zayed, to even to ask them

18:41

to do more than what they’re already

18:43

doing will be very difficult. So I

18:45

think the Abrahams, of course,

18:48

or or the

18:51

the notion of expelling Palestinians from

18:54

their homeland, I think that’s just out

18:56

of the question. We

18:58

had former U.S. ambassador Chaz Freeman

19:01

recently on our show and something he

19:03

said, I wanted your reaction is he said

19:06

Israel has achieved the

19:08

impossible, which is bring together

19:11

the Shia and the Sunni world in

19:14

the Middle East together, at least

19:17

as far as the Palestinian cause goes.

19:21

Do you think there is something in that

19:23

statement?I. Yes, I

19:26

believe that is true to a significant

19:28

degree. The United States

19:31

has been creating divide, a divide

19:34

between a sekarian divide, racial,

19:37

racial. They’ve been using sekarianism,

19:39

racism and religious

19:42

hatred for many years now, many decades

19:45

now, but especially after the revolution

19:46

in Iran, it’s been used much more and

19:49

often through Saudi Arabia in the

19:51

1980s and the 1990s.

19:54

Until, ironically, until Mohammed bin

19:57

Salman came to power, he distanced

19:59

himself from these extremist groups

20:02

and their funding has decreased ever

20:04

since. But I but

20:06

interestingly, now it’s Mr.

20:09

Erdogan who’s taken over and it’s Qatar

20:11

that is funding these extremist groups

20:14

almost exclusively. So they’re now

20:17

his henchmen.

20:21

But yes, these these groups have had a

20:23

huge impact.

20:26

But I think that after the sacrifices

20:29

made by Hezbollah and Gaza, which are

20:32

unique, I mean, the people of Gaza fought

20:34

for their lives, but Hezbollah willingly

20:37

sacrificed themselves to help to save the

20:40

people of of Gaza. And the war on the

20:42

Lebanese border was

20:45

was unprecedented. There’s never been

20:48

such an intense war between the Israeli

20:50

regime and anyone

20:54

compared to when when we look at what was

20:57

going on for a couple of months along the

20:59

Lebanese border. And ultimately the,

21:02

you know, the ceasefire was just

21:08

a a decrease in the hostilities.

21:10

Otherwise, the Israelis kept their forces

21:13

along in the north. So Hezbollah,

21:16

They made huge sacrifices. Ansarullah

21:19

made huge sacrifices. The Iraqis and we

21:21

saw that in Abu Ubaidah’s speech. He

21:24

thanked Iran, he thanked Hezbollah, he

21:26

thanked Ansarullah, he thanked the Iraqis

21:28

and he thanked Jordanian citizens

21:31

who on their own, at their, at their own

21:34

initiative, went into Palestine and

21:36

fought and were martyred.

21:39

So I think that is that is very

21:41

substantial and that I think.

21:47

uh weakened this

21:50

racist and

21:52

sectarian narrative that has been

21:55

created for, that has been promoted for

21:58

decades now, and it currently is being

22:00

promoted by Qatar and and others and

22:03

and Turkey and the Turkish regime.

22:06

But But in any case, it is something that

22:09

should be of concern always,

22:12

because as the West grows weaker,

22:15

In order to maintain hegemony,

22:18

they have to use the tools of divide and

22:21

rule more extensively.

22:25

My final question is about

22:28

US Iran relationship.

22:31

Donald Trump, just having come to power,

22:34

also signed an executive order to

22:38

impose the sanctions even more

22:40

brutally on Iran while.

22:44

Maintaining that he is

22:46

open to a deal, that’s something that he

22:49

is doing even with the Russians, even

22:51

with everyone. And I

22:54

wanted to ask you, what’s the

22:56

feeling in in

22:59

Tehran and Iran in general about

23:02

the US at this moment as far as the

23:05

relationship goes?And secondly,

23:08

to what extent is Iran

23:11

worried about further sanctions given

23:14

a lot of oil trade now goes to

23:17

China and the United States

23:20

is imposing tariff war and trade

23:22

war on China as well?

23:26

To what degree the US can actually

23:28

hurt the Iranian

23:31

economy given there is also.

23:35

Idea and popularity among sections

23:39

in Iran that they should normalize

23:41

relationship with the West because the

23:43

economy takes the toll.

23:48

Well, I’ve been in Moscow for the last

23:51

three, you know, days, so I

23:54

don’t know exactly. I don’t. I have to go

23:56

back to Tehran to be able to better to

23:58

give a better answer to that question.

24:02

I, as far as I know, and I’ve been very

24:04

busy, so I haven’t been following the

24:06

news as well as I should have. But as far

24:09

as I know, it’s not an executive order.

24:12

But in any case, the United

24:15

States has already has already imposed

24:17

maximum pressure sanctions on Iran. When

24:20

Biden came to power, he did not remove

24:23

any of those sanctions. In fact, he’s

24:25

repeatedly been. adding new sanctions,

24:28

you know, for two new companies or

24:30

companies that have been created, they

24:31

get sanctioned and so on. So

24:34

there really isn’t anything for Trump to

24:37

sanction. And it’s just like Russia, Iran

24:40

and Russia are both basically under

24:42

maximum pressure sanctions. In fact,

24:44

recently the Russian oil fleet and the

24:47

the the oil and gas companies which have

24:49

been which have been sanctioned.

24:51

Basically what that’s done is it made

24:54

RussiaBecome more like

24:56

Iran, because Iran has already been

24:58

sanctioned this oil

25:01

and gas industry completely, this banking

25:03

industry as well. So the

25:06

Iranians have learned how to circumvent

25:08

the sanctions regime, and it does

25:11

trade with China, not because

25:14

during the last four years the United

25:16

States has become more lenient, but

25:17

because Iran and. China devised

25:20

new ways to do trade without being

25:22

vulnerable to the Americans, without

25:24

using Western financial institutions

25:27

and so on, and by not

25:29

using tankers that are under the

25:32

authority of the West or or fearful of

25:34

Western

25:37

dictates. So I I

25:40

cannot say for certain, but I think it

25:42

will be much more difficult for Trump. To

25:44

be able to put pressure on you on this

25:46

time run. I’m not saying he’s not going

25:48

to do anything or that he won’t be able

25:49

to do some things, but it’s this is not a

25:52

seven years ago. The situation is much

25:55

different. And China, as I think you

25:58

were alluding, as you were saying, I

26:00

think you’re implying that China is also

26:05

different from the China 7-8 years ago

26:07

and it it has a vested interest in

26:10

ignoring the United States. Or or

26:13

resist or is going to resist the United

26:15

States more today than before.

26:18

So I don’t think that the the Americans

26:20

have many cards up their sleeves and and

26:23

and Trump doesn’t have a special card up

26:25

his sleeve that

26:28

Biden didn’t have. There’s nothing new

26:31

in you know his there’s nothing new. He

26:33

doesn’t have some special power or some

26:35

special authority that didn’t exist

26:37

before. So I think it’s going to be

26:40

more difficult. In Iran,

26:43

there are those who want an agreement

26:45

with the United States. But I think that

26:48

in general, the the the

26:51

mood in Tehran is different from

26:53

2015. In

26:55

2015, after we signed a nuclear

26:57

agreement with the United States, they

27:00

began violating it from day one under

27:02

Obama. And then Trump tore up the

27:03

agreement. So even though many do want an

27:06

agreement, but they don’t want to be

27:08

cheated again like in

27:10

2015. So Iran is

27:13

and also Iran’s position today is much

27:15

stronger than it was back then and the

27:17

United States has much more, many more

27:19

difficulties like the war in Ukraine. So

27:22

the circumstances have changed. Iran has

27:24

a stronger position and

27:28

and also. You know, Trump, not only did

27:31

he, not only did the United States

27:33

violate the JCPOA, the nuclear deal and

27:35

then later on tear it, Trump tear it,

27:37

tore it up. But also we saw the Minsk

27:39

Accords, how the West betrayed Russia.

27:41

And also now Trump is saying the third

27:44

phase of the cease-fire agreement is

27:47

is is is rubbish

27:50

and shouldn’t be implemented. That’s a

27:53

cease-fire that was basically signed

27:55

under his pressure. So if Trump is going

27:57

to betray the Palestinians and the

27:59

Russians and the Iranians, I mean, if we

28:00

look at his past track record, that

28:03

is going to make it all the more

28:04

difficult for Iranians and Russians to

28:07

negotiate with Trump in the future

28:08

because he’s simply not someone who can

28:10

be trusted. So negotiations with the

28:13

United States, potential negotiations, I

28:16

don’t know if they will take place. But

28:20

it’s the Iranians are going to be much

28:22

more cautious than before.

28:26

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Arab world would ‘not allow’ U.S. takeover of Gaza: Palestinian representative | Power & Politics

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDrG1HV4SlY)

U.S. President Donald Trump said he wants the United States to take over and redevelop Gaza after resettling Palestinians elsewhere. Mona Abuamara, chief representative of the Palestinian General Delegation to Canada, says Trump’s proposal is ‘outrageous.’ Plus, the CBC’s Caroline Barghout is in Washington with more on the story.

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the US will take over the Gaza Strip and

0:03

we will do a job with it too we’ll own

0:05

it we have an opportunity to do

0:08

something that could be phenomenal and I

0:11

don’t want to be cute I don’t want to be

0:13

a wise guy but the Riviera of the Middle

0:15

East this could be something that could

0:17

be so bad this could be so

0:20

magnificent that was US president Donald

0:22

Trump last night saying he wants the

0:24

United States to take ownership of Gaza

0:26

and redevelop it these comments after

0:28

Trump said Palestinians living in Gaza

0:31

should be resettled outside of the

0:32

territory the cbc’s Caroline Bargo is in

0:35

Washington with more on this story so

0:37

Caroline what what more is the White

0:38

House said about this plan today well

0:41

today the White House is standing behind

0:43

US president Donald Trump’s plan to take

0:45

over Gaza and turn it into the Rivier of

0:48

the Middle East as you just heard him

0:50

say he would like the more than two

0:52

million Palestinians who live in Gaza to

0:55

move to either Jordan or Egypt even

0:58

though both countries rejected that idea

1:01

Trump said that he is not opposed to

1:03

using US troops to get them out now

1:06

White House Press Secretary Caroline

1:08

levit held a press conference today and

1:10

she was asked a lot about Trump’s

1:12

comments on Gaza she said that Trump

1:14

made them with a humanitarian heart with

1:17

the idea of peace for the Middle East

1:20

she was also asked how this fits into

1:22

the United States America’s first policy

1:25

and this is what she said take a listen

1:27

this is an outof the-box idea that’s who

1:30

president Trump is that’s why the

1:31

American people elected him um and his

1:34

goal is lasting peace in the Middle East

1:37

for all people in the region we’ve had

1:40

the same people pushing the same

1:42

solutions to this problem for decades

1:45

and it’s been very made very clear to

1:46

the president uh that the United States

1:49

needs to be revolve involved in this

1:51

rebuilding effort um to ensure stability

1:54

in the

1:55

region Secretary of State Marco Rubio

1:58

was also asked about Trump’s Gaza plan

2:00

and he called it generous here’s what he

2:03

said take a listen the only thing

2:05

president Trump has done very generously

2:06

in my view is offer the United States

2:09

willingness to step in clear the debris

2:12

clean the place up from all the

2:14

destruction that’s on the ground clean

2:16

it up of all these unexploded Munitions

2:18

and in the meantime the people living

2:20

there will not be able the people who

2:22

call that home will not be able to live

2:23

there while you have Crews coming in and

2:25

removing debris while you have Munitions

2:27

being removed

2:30

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

2:31

Netanyahu is still in Washington and

2:34

today he met with defense secretary Pete

2:36

hegseth at the Pentagon Heth was asked

2:39

by reporters about Trump’s Gaza plan and

2:41

you and possibly sending US troops to

2:44

Gaza and here is what he

2:46

said president inv is involved in very

2:49

complex and highlevel negotiations of

2:51

great consequence uh to both the United

2:54

States and the state of Israel and we

2:56

look forward to working with our allies

2:57

our counterparts both diplomatically and

2:59

militarily to look at all

3:02

options now last night Trump was also

3:04

asked about annexing the West Bank and

3:06

he said he would have a decision on that

3:08

in about four weeks okay there is some I

3:12

I guess inconsistencies in all the

3:13

different statements there Caroline to

3:15

be generous um I wonder what has some of

3:18

the reaction been in the United States

3:20

beyond the people who work directly for

3:22

president Trump well as you can imagine

3:24

the reaction was pretty mixed here in

3:26

Washington there are some Republicans

3:28

who were standing behind Trump’s idea to

3:31

take over the Gaza Strip and turn it

3:33

into the Riviera of the Middle East as

3:35

he liked to call it uh one of those

3:37

Republicans was house Speaker Mike

3:39

Johnson he was asked about it and this

3:41

is what he said that area is so

3:44

dangerous and he’s taking bold decisive

3:46

action to try to ensure the Peace of

3:48

that region um it’s a it’s a bold move

3:51

certainly uh far Bolder than what’s been

3:53

done before but um I I think we’ve got

3:56

to stand unequivocally in an unwavering

3:58

manner as the whip say

4:00

uh with Israel our closest Ally and

4:02

friend in the Middle

4:04

East but not all Republicans were keen

4:07

on the idea in fact both Republicans and

4:10

Democrats spoke up today against the

4:12

plan here’s what they had to

4:14

say I can report that I was speechless

4:18

I’m speechless that’s insane I can’t

4:20

think of a place on Earth that would

4:22

welcome American troops less and where

4:26

any positive outcome is less likely when

4:29

Donal Trump sees a strip of land that’s

4:31

being wasted that way he he has a

4:34

builder sees opportunity and um and we

4:37

appreciate his vision but I think in

4:39

terms of an occupying of Gaza the only

4:42

way we would ever I think if at all want

4:46

to do that would be at their

4:47

invitation a critics of Trump’s plan

4:50

have called it ethnic cleansing and

4:52

colonialism now some people don’t

4:54

actually believe that he’s serious there

4:56

are some that say that this is just

4:58

Trump’s way of negoti ating and trying

5:00

to bring the temperature down in the

5:02

Middle East but there’s also concern

5:04

that his plan is going to inflame

5:07

tensions in the region now Pete heg or

5:10

excuse me Benjamin Netanyahu the Israeli

5:12

Prime Minister he is still here in

5:14

Washington he’s actually extended his

5:16

trip until Saturday and then he will

5:18

head home at that point all right

5:19

Caroline a lot to go through thanks for

5:21

doing with us that’s the cbc’s Caroline

5:23

Bargo in Washington well foreign affairs

5:25

minister Melanie Jolie came out against

5:27

President Trump’s comments today writing

5:30

Canada’s long-standing position on Gaza

5:32

has not changed we are committed to

5:33

achieving a two-state solution where

5:35

Israelis and Palestinians can live

5:37

securely within internationally

5:39

recognized borders there is no role for

5:41

Hamas in the governance of Gaza we

5:44

support Palestinians right to

5:45

self-determination including from being

5:48

forcibly displaced from Gaza for more

5:51

reaction to the president’s proposal I’m

5:53

joined by Mona Abu Amar the chief

5:54

representative of the Palestinian

5:56

General delegation to Canada Mona Abu am

5:58

it’s good to see you again thank you for

5:59

being here thank you for having me um

6:01

you know the White House has said this

6:03

was a generous offer uh from the

6:06

president and just essentially a

6:07

remediation cleanup and rebuilding

6:09

proposal do you view it that way of

6:11

course not so uh had it been generosity

6:15

we wouldn’t have had um all of these

6:18

buildings and uh these cities and

6:21

Villages and uh uh refugee camps

6:25

demolished and annihilated by us bombs

6:29

which now they want to clean up and

6:32

clean up uh ethnically cleanse while

6:35

ethnically cleansing the Palestinian

6:36

people with that he sounded very serious

6:38

and clear as I was listening to the

6:40

president last night right he was asked

6:42

I I believe it was Caitlyn Collins at

6:43

CNN he said where do you expect the

6:46

people there to go and who would live

6:47

there when it’s rebuilt and he said oh

6:49

the world would live there it would be a

6:50

great development so they’re they’re

6:52

walking it back today but what which do

6:55

you believe do do you believe the

6:56

president maybe was not being serious

6:58

got too far ahead

7:00

himself how do you parse it um

7:02

unfortunately in my opinion

7:05

uh Trump and uh Netanyahu uh look at us

7:10

from Golden towers and along with their

7:13

Bunch uh of other uh people in crowds

7:17

and they look at us with a um illusion

7:22

that uh they know what we want and they

7:24

can control where and how we would uh

7:28

like to live

7:30

while normalizing that oppression and

7:33

thinking that you can sell and buy

7:35

anything including people two-thirds of

7:38

the the homes and buildings in in Gaza

7:41

are either damaged or completely

7:42

destroyed by by the bombardments over

7:44

the past uh year and a bit um I I I

7:48

wonder what your thoughts are about what

7:50

this does for this very delicate

7:52

ceasefire process because you know um

7:56

Saudi Arabia Jordan Egypt have all

7:58

rejected this you’ve rejected this idea

8:00

but it comes at a time when things are

8:02

delicate right to keep things what what

8:04

are your concerns there so we know that

8:07

the Arab world would not allow for such

8:10

a thing to happen because uh we have

8:13

experienced that before we have been

8:16

ethnically cleansed from our Villages

8:18

and from our uh cities from our Our Land

8:21

stolen and we will never allow for that

8:24

to happen again and so uh do the Arab uh

8:28

countries think

8:30

especially uh Jordan and uh Egypt and uh

8:33

Israel would like to think that they

8:35

don’t want to take refugees or

8:38

Palestinians there because they don’t

8:40

allow anyone who leaves to come back but

8:43

the actual issue is that uh Palestinian

8:46

refugees are the only ones who are in

8:49

the world who are not allowed to go back

8:52

to their land so we’re not going to risk

8:54

it and and gazin will not risk it so the

8:57

president is right on one thing that

8:58

there is a significant rebuilding job

9:00

that needs to happen in that territory

9:03

um and and there are issues with

9:05

unexploded ordinance and other things

9:07

that do need a level of remediation to

9:09

to make it safe again so how do you how

9:12

do you see that proceeding right because

9:15

people want to be in their home near

9:17

their home and on the land they call

9:19

home but there is the reality of a lack

9:21

of shelter lack of safety how do you how

9:23

do you balance that uh in terms of the

9:25

rebuilding and people being allowed to

9:27

stay on the land that is their th those

9:30

are two separate things um just talking

9:33

about people allowed or not being

9:35

allowed to stay uh on their land is

9:39

outrageous uh stunning as you said in

9:41

the beginning uh I think that this is

9:46

since the beginning of this aggression

9:48

on Gaza this has been premeditated it

9:50

has been a premeditated accelerated

9:53

ethnic cleansing

9:55

um

9:57

structural and completion of uh the plan

10:01

that has started in

10:03

1948 but the ceasefire was only achieved

10:08

because the US prom made promises to

10:11

Netanyahu and part of those promises

10:14

were to allow um the his right uh uh

10:19

government uh to Annex the west bank and

10:24

to push people uh out of Gaza so um the

10:29

situation that we are here at is by a

10:32

colonizer mindset that uh is uh thinking

10:37

in a supremacist type of sit way uh not

10:40

seeing what those people mean or um

10:44

Worth right and the president did say

10:46

he’d have a decision on the West Bank

10:48

his decision on the West Bank in about

10:50

four weeks and maybe maybe I Mis phrase

10:52

my last question I I don’t mean allowed

10:53

to stay then I mean able to stay while

10:56

while the rebuilding work and the

10:57

remediation work is happening just in a

10:59

practical sense um you know what needs

11:02

to happen for for for the gazin who you

11:04

know after being sort of pinned into

11:06

Southern Gaza are now spreading out but

11:07

there’s a lack of shelter there

11:09

necessarily and things need to be worked

11:10

on and fixed I mean how do you

11:12

practically see that proceed yeah so

11:14

first of all they shouldn’t have allowed

11:17

uh Israel to do so now they should uh

11:21

allow trucks to bring in Caravans and um

11:25

tents and all of those uh to make Gaza

11:29

viable again which Israel made sure it’s

11:32

not so it would be easier to push people

11:35

uh out um from it so it’s also in the

11:40

hand of the International Community and

11:41

how they react to that and how fast they

11:45

try to um make the situation easier for

11:49

the Palestinian people who went in in um

11:54

uh 400,000 people went back to the north

11:57

where it’s the most damage because they

12:00

wanted to go home and I’ve heard from

12:03

them saying if the war starts again if

12:06

the aggression starts again they will

12:08

not leave their homes once again so it’s

12:12

uh uh Israel wants to complete uh the

12:16

the the job it started doing by

12:18

demolishing every single um home and

12:22

building in Gaza but the people said if

12:25

that’s going to happen it will happen

12:27

while we’re in them I I have seen some

12:29

reporting though at mono bu of people

12:31

saying that conditions are so desperate

12:34

they they might have to leave you know

12:35

what I mean like it’s just the

12:37

circumstances will force them because of

12:39

the the consequences of of all of this

12:41

fighting I mean what what are your

12:43

concerns there in terms of just how many

12:44

people out of sheer necessity might just

12:46

choose to leave Gaza and try to go

12:48

somewhere else out of sheer necessity

12:51

everybody needs would need uh to leave

12:55

because of the um nonviability of the

12:59

situation in there but how many would

13:02

want to leave knowing that they can’t

13:04

come back there’s a difference if they

13:07

are allowed to come back that’s one

13:09

thing but if there is this colonial

13:13

mindset of occupying switching the

13:16

occupation from Israeli occupation to

13:18

American occupation is just ridiculous

13:21

there there has been pretty strong push

13:23

back against this um you know and and

13:26

there was even some some liberal MPS

13:27

issued a statement calling for C did

13:29

announce it I know you saw the statement

13:30

there from Melanie Jolie just before we

13:32

started this conversation have you

13:34

spoken to anyone in the Canadian

13:36

government about this and and what’s

13:37

your sense of the Canadian response um

13:39

so I reached out for an urgent meeting I

13:41

didn’t hear back yet um hopefully I’ll

13:44

have uh a chance uh to do so soon uh I

13:48

saw the statement it was a little too

13:51

late late uh in in the day after um

13:55

Trump started retracting his steps and

13:58

after the whole outrage uh in the world

14:01

I expected Canada to be a leader even in

14:04

statements at least uh if not in action

14:07

Saudi Arabia was at at 4:00 a.m. in

14:10

exactly so um the situation now needs

14:14

Canada to actually recognize Palestine

14:16

if it Minister Julie said she is uh that

14:20

Canada is still adamant to reach uh to

14:23

help reach the two-state solution we are

14:26

talking right now about not having any

14:29

land to talk about for a two-state

14:31

solution so if Canada wants actually to

14:33

help it needs to prove it through action

14:36

do you think as as a final point the

14:38

ongoing trade dispute with with

14:40

President Trump over the border and the

14:42

Liberals are changing leaders I I mean

14:44

you think those two things U make it

14:48

difficult for Canada to do what you’re

14:49

suggesting Canada should do well if

14:51

every uh country that is threatened

14:54

would bend international law and uh

14:57

water it down then we will turn into a

15:00

jungle and people actually don’t know

15:03

who Palestinians are what we had to

15:05

endure and what we are willing to endure

15:08

simply because we don’t have any other

15:11

option so we’re not leaving okay uh mono

15:14

ABA uh when we find out what the

15:15

president has to say about the West Bank

15:17

uh we want have your reaction to that Mo

15:18

mono buis Chief representative of the

15:20

Palestinian General delegation to Canada

15:22

thank you for being here thank you for

15:23

having

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Gaza Could Be Next ‘Mogadishu on the Mediterranean’: Stroul

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zpEjcL6V8I)

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Fmr. Head of Saudi Arabian Intelligence Reacts to Trump’s Proposal for Gaza | Amanpour and Company

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqGRjiSnoO4)

Trump is banking on rich Arab countries and kingdoms to support and implement his vision. Qatar, the main regional mediator, has already said it plans to help rebuild Gaza — while the Palestinians remain on their land. The United States wants normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, but the Saudi foreign minister has also rejected the Trump plan. Former Saudi Intelligence Chief and former Ambassador to the United States Turki Al Faisal joins Christiane from the capital, Riyadh.

Originally aired on February 5, 2025

Major support for Amanpour and Company is provided by Jim Attwood and Leslie Williams, Candace King Weir, the Sylvia A. and Simon B. Poyta Programming Endowment to Fight Antisemitism, the Leila and Mickey Straus Family Charitable Trust, Mark J. Blechner, the Filomen M. D’Agostino Foundation, Seton J. Melvin, the Peter G. Peterson and Joan Ganz Cooney Fund, Charles Rosenblum, Koo and Patricia Yuen, Barbara Hope Zuckerberg, and Jeffrey Katz and Beth Rogers.

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uh Prince turkey welcome to the program

0:02

you you have been digesting what came

0:05

from the White House last night you

0:07

probably heard uh the view from rala so

0:10

is there going to be a United Arab front

0:14

against this uh Trump Vision thank you

0:18

Miss Amur for inviting me after hearing

0:21

Mr baruti I really don’t know what to

0:24

add to what he said other than to say

0:27

that what came out of Mr Trump is not

0:29

digest able I respectfully decline to

0:33

add more disrespectful comments to that

0:36

but uh it is uh a fantasy to think that

0:41

ethnic cleansing in the 21st century can

0:44

be condoned by a world community that

0:47

stays on its behinds and does not

0:50

respond to that the problem in Palestine

0:54

is not the Palestinians it is the

0:56

Israeli occupation and this has been

1:00

clear and understood by everybody hence

1:03

you have United Nations resolutions

1:06

calling for the quid Proco of land for

1:10

peace from 1967 until now the Arab peace

1:14

initiative of course is based on that

1:17

and offered Israel not only diplomatic

1:19

relation but all of the things that

1:22

Israel wanted from trade from uh

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normalization Etc in return for the

1:28

establishment of a pales alian state

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with its capital in East Jerusalem all

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of these things were American policy

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until this latest wording that Mr Trump

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has chosen to use in uh claiming that he

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wants to better things when actually it

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is going to turn things into more

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conflict and more Bloodshed um can I

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draw on your long long years of

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experience you were Saudi ambassador to

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America

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what would you be telling your Capital

2:02

your king in a

2:04

cable had you been in Washington last

2:07

night in that position and listen to

2:09

what came from the podium what would you

2:11

how would you have explained it well I

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can tell you I’m glad I am not in that

2:16

position because there is no way that I

2:18

can explain it it comes out of the blue

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and it is totally based on as Mr baruti

2:26

said on the Israeli position of ethnic

2:30

cleansing as you mentioned yourself Mr

2:34

benir who is the ultimate ethnic

2:37

cleanser in Palestine he’s been saying

2:40

this for the last two and a half years

2:42

since he joined the government and now

2:44

he is justifying what he said by the

2:47

words of the American president that is

2:52

unacceptable so what then is the next

2:55

step we’ve had everybody you know from

2:57

your Capital to the neighboring

2:59

countries which Trump expects to take

3:01

these you know millions of Palestinians

3:03

reject this out of hand say that it’s

3:05

illegal we’ve heard the president of the

3:07

Palestinian

3:08

Authority what do you think is the next

3:12

step what do you think is going to

3:13

happen I’m not in government so I don’t

3:16

know what my government will will

3:18

propose but I would expect that there

3:20

will be Collective action on the part

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not only of the Arab but Muslim world as

3:25

well along with Europeans and other

3:27

countries that believe in the two-state

3:29

solution

3:30

to take up the matter and where else but

3:33

go to the United Nations and this is the

3:35

only Arena where things like that can be

3:39

discussed unfortunately with the

3:41

American vet I cannot expect that there

3:43

will be much success in passing any

3:45

resolutions but nonetheless it will show

3:48

that the world is opposed to this mad

3:52

ethnic cleansing plan that the American

3:56

president has

3:57

proposed you’re you’re a really smart

4:00

person and understands you know

4:03

sometimes things are said and they may

4:06

hide a different meaning do you see

4:09

any is there any negotiating strategy

4:12

here that you see that Trump might claim

4:14

or his acolytes might claim I have no

4:18

idea and I cannot see anything other

4:20

than a a blank wall in front of me of

4:24

total acceptance of the Israeli position

4:28

by the American government

4:30

it’s not only the president we’ve heard

4:32

also supporting calls from senators and

4:35

congressmen and other of the American

4:38

strata of politics supporting this call

4:42

so uh that is the unfortunate position

4:46

of a whole structure that has been built

4:49

in the past years in support of

4:52

Israel um as you know and as we’ve said

4:56

normalization is a big uh Strate y a big

5:00

a big goal of the United States of

5:02

Israel Etc certain Arab countries have

5:05

always done that but the crown jewel is

5:07

your country Saudi Arabia um do you see

5:11

any way I know you’re not in government

5:13

but your your king and others have said

5:16

in the past that there will be no

5:17

normalization without a pledge for a

5:20

Palestinian State and in fact for Israel

5:22

to get out of Gaza do you think that

5:24

still

5:25

holds can you see normalization

5:28

happening indeed in

5:31

and not at all this morning our foreign

5:33

Ministry issued a statement rejecting

5:36

what came out of Washington in the last

5:39

days and this has been the position of

5:42

Saudi Arabia from the beginning and even

5:45

before October 7th if you recall when

5:48

Prince Muhammad spoke with one of the

5:52

opposition television channels uh in in

5:55

America he made clear then that the path

5:58

to a clear

6:00

Palestinian state is what we want to see

6:03

as a result of any talks that we have

6:06

with the Americans

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We Basques do need a real Basque independent State in the Western Pyrenees, just a democratic lay or secular state, with all the formal characteristics of any independent State: Central Bank, Treasury, proper currency, out of the European Distopia and faraway from NAT0, maybe being a BRICS partner…

Ikus Euskal Herriaren independentzia eta Mikel Torka

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