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Palestinians in Gaza react to Trump’s shock proposal to take over their territory | DW News

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8pSs0cn9pM)

US President Donald Trump has announced that the United States will ‘take over’ the Gaza Strip and that Palestinians living there could be resettled elsewhere. He made the comments at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Many Palestinians, as well as US allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey have rejected the idea.

Chapters:

0:00 Trump’s suggested ‘favor’

4:43 Laura Blumenfeld, Middle East Analyst at Johns Hopkins University

12:31 The countries not in ‘favor’

15:33 Aaron David Miller, Middle East Analyst

Transkripzioa:

0:00

Donald Trump says he wants to do 2

0:02

million Palestinians a favor by forcing

0:04

them off the ruins of the Gaza Strip for

0:07

their own good and so that the US can

0:09

turn the territory into what he said

0:11

could become the Riviera of the Middle

0:13

East and in terms of US foreign policy

0:16

it’s probably fair to say that no

0:17

previous American president has ever

0:20

suggested anything quite like it so

0:23

today has been full of outrage and a

0:25

question what’s he thinking US president

0:28

Donald Trump has been doubling down on

0:30

his vision for Gaza declaring that

0:33

everybody loves his plan to have his

0:35

country take over the territory and

0:37

resettle Palestinians uh living excuse

0:41

me resettle Palestinians living there

0:44

but beyond Israel and the president’s

0:46

Republican allies the idea sparking

0:48

Global condemnation the UN has warned

0:51

that forcibly removing the local

0:53

population could amount to ethnic

0:55

cleansing Mr Trump made the announcement

0:57

at a White House Press Conference

0:58

alongside visiting Israeli Prime

1:00

Minister Benin Netanyahu Mr Netanyahu

1:04

described the idea as worth paying

1:06

attention to and said that it could

1:08

change history in Gaza the militant

1:11

group Hamas and Palestinian leaders in

1:13

the West Bank have rejected the idea as

1:16

have several us allies in the region

1:19

Brazil’s president Luis Lula D Silva

1:22

described the Trump plan as almost

1:24

incomprehensible and question whether

1:26

the US would be the best custodian for

1:29

the territory

1:32

the Gaza Strip a total of about 360

1:35

square kilm of land faced Relentless

1:38

bombardment from Israel for over 15

1:41

months now it’s confronting another kind

1:44

of threat a foreign leader toying with

1:47

the idea of occupation pursuing thisen

1:50

the US will take over the Gaza Strip and

1:53

we will do a job with it too uh we’ll do

1:56

what is necessary if it’s necessary

1:58

we’ll do that we’ll going to take over

2:01

that piece we’re going to develop it

2:04

while the US president considers the

2:06

Gaza Strip to be a real estate on

2:08

sale its residents reject his plans

2:13

strongly Trump’s remarks are illogical

2:16

we have lived through War for a year and

2:19

more and then he comes and says we

2:22

should leave our land This Is Our Land

2:25

and the land of our ancestors

2:31

this call for displacement is not new

2:34

many plans talked about this issue and

2:36

failed of course the plan of US

2:38

president Donald Trump will fail because

2:39

gazans hold on to their land country and

2:42

soil of their Nation many wars passed on

2:45

Palestine and specifically Gaza and did

2:47

not let the Palestinian people to

2:49

migrate or travel to other

2:54

countries Palestinian leadership too

2:56

voiced outrage over the US president’s

2:59

comments

3:03

these statements reflect confusion and

3:05

deep ignorance about Palestine and the

3:07

region Gaza is certainly not a common

3:10

land and it is not property that can be

3:12

bought and

3:15

sold Hamas is regarded by the US and the

3:18

European Union as a terrorist

3:21

organization however it has governed the

3:23

Gaza Strip since 2007 Hamas also called

3:27

on Arab and Muslim leaders to hold an

3:29

emergency meeting and sent a clear

3:31

message that Trump’s position on Gaza

3:33

would not be accepted in the region the

3:36

US president’s remarks could threaten

3:38

the ceasefire deal too which itself is a

3:42

balancing act for all sides Trump’s

3:45

statement has already drawn sharp

3:47

International

3:51

condemnation China has always believed

3:54

that Palestinians governing Palestine is

3:56

the basic principle of postwar

3:58

governance of Gaza

4:00

we oppose the forc relocation of people

4:02

in Gaza and hope that relevant parties

4:05

will take the ceasefire and what comes

4:07

after it as an opportunity to push the

4:09

Palestinian issue back on the right

4:12

track and Achieve lasting peace in the

4:14

Middle

4:17

East Australia turkey Russia and others

4:21

issued similar comments on Wednesday

4:24

Saudi Arabia’s foreign Ministry posted a

4:26

statement saying Saudi Arabia would

4:28

continue efforts to established an

4:30

independent Palestinian state it echoed

4:33

previous similar statements from other

4:35

Arab Nations that the two State solution

4:38

was to prerequisite for these countries

4:40

to establish diplomatic relations with

4:43

Israel well let’s explore this with

4:45

Laura Blumenfeld who’s a Middle East

4:47

Analyst at Johns Hopkins University

4:49

she’s also a former adviser to the US

4:51

state Department’s Israeli Palestinian

4:54

negotiating team so welcome to

4:56

DW is there any world in which you can

4:59

see this plant getting off the

5:02

ground well I think the one thing that’s

5:04

true across the world last night is we

5:06

all lost sleep um there are two

5:09

approaches I’m going to try to analyze

5:11

this um reasonably even though it was

5:13

quite unreasonable what we witnessed

5:15

last night um the president was is

5:17

either Bonkers or bluffing right he’s

5:19

either serious and means what he says or

5:21

this is some kind of strategic uh

5:24

Bluster uh if he’s serious um you know

5:27

it is ask Israelis Israel is not the

5:30

most rightwing they would say it’s

5:31

illegal it’s impractical and also it’s

5:34

illogical Netanyahu the prime minister

5:37

of Israel already offered the

5:38

Palestinians in Gaza $5 million a person

5:41

if they’re willing to bring forward with

5:43

a hostage if they’re willing to um you

5:45

know s uh turn over the hostages that

5:48

were seized from Israel on October 7th

5:51

2023 and not one person stepped forward

5:54

that says something there’s no economic

5:56

incentive uh that would turn them the

5:58

hostages over how are you you going to

6:00

convince them through through money and

6:01

other incentives like housing to leave

6:04

their land so that’s if we’re taking him

6:06

seriously but if it was strategic if

6:08

this was some kind of maximalist offer

6:10

you know that he often does look this

6:11

could be art of the deal where you start

6:13

with a a a wild Pie in the Sky proposal

6:17

um in order perhaps to create leverage

6:20

with the Middle East maybe it’s about

6:21

Saudi Arabia normalization deal um you

6:24

know Saudi Arabia was having none of it

6:26

but I wonder actually if this is more of

6:28

a strategic move uh to bamboozle bi

6:31

Netanyahu if you watched him last night

6:34

coming out of that press conference he

6:35

was wiping sweat from his face Netanyahu

6:38

took a handkerchief from his pocket now

6:40

that meeting we saw shoulder-to-shoulder

6:42

Alliance in public but I just wonder

6:44

what happened privately because the

6:46

conventional wisdom was that if

6:48

Netanyahu would show flexibility on Gaza

6:51

Trump would show some kind of backing of

6:54

Israel and give them a longer leash in

6:55

terms of striking Iran what Trump did in

6:58

that press conference was turned the

6:59

whole concept on its head right he went

7:02

Gang Busters on Gaza but then he quickly

7:04

announced this morning we may not have

7:05

paid attention because we were busy with

7:07

Gaza he announced this morning that he

7:09

proposes and he prefers a deal with Iran

7:13

Iran is netanyahu’s number one goal in

7:15

life he has said publicly in a speech to

7:17

the parliament it’s the reason he gets

7:19

up in the morning to take out Iran’s

7:21

nuclear threat so I just wonder if we

7:23

take a moment and think what is really

7:25

happening here this might have

7:27

everything to do with Iran and very

7:28

little to do realistically with Gaza

7:31

okay I’m mean I’m intrigued by that

7:33

four-dimensional thinking there so let

7:35

thank you for that help me with help me

7:38

with a thought experiment though you

7:40

said you said that that such an action

7:42

by the United States would be illegal

7:45

and illogical this would not be the

7:47

first time if it happened that the

7:49

United States has found itself in a a

7:52

legally questionable a conflict so if

7:56

president Trump is in Earnest about this

7:59

proposal regardless of the objections of

8:02

the garans and Middle East allies and

8:04

foes how could he do

8:08

it well Trump is property shopping right

8:12

we’ve seen that and it’s only been two

8:14

and a half weeks of his presidency but

8:16

you know starting with Greenland and

8:18

then Panama and then Canada he’s looking

8:20

to expand he he sees this as an

8:22

imperialist presidency right it’s good

8:24

to be the king he’s looking over at

8:26

Putin and watching Putin’s land grab in

8:28

Ukraine and sort of wondering what she

8:30

has in mind with Taiwan and and and

8:33

erdan in Turkey who may very well have

8:36

himself a puppeteer you know be able to

8:38

Puppeteer um the new president of Syria

8:41

so I think he’s maneuvering now this is

8:43

classic again classic Trump he’s sending

8:46

out trial balloons and we can all sit

8:48

here with our peashooters to shoot them

8:49

down um but he’s he’s waiting to see

8:51

what will

8:52

fly there are Israeli politicians who

8:55

would like to see uh Israel Annex Gaza

8:58

and the West Bank how empowered do you

9:01

think they feel with Donald Trump back

9:03

in

9:05

office well I think they feel somewhat

9:08

drunk on Trump but I would warn them

9:10

watch out for that hangover because

9:12

Trump is more sympathetic to

9:13

Palestinians than he discloses publicly

9:16

in a way this first meeting was a thank

9:18

you note but it wasn’t to Israel

9:20

necessarily it wasn’t to Netanyahu it

9:22

was to the Evangelical vote in the

9:24

United States that supported him

9:25

consistently um and then there were some

9:28

there were also some you know major

9:29

donors also who he Trump is

9:32

transactional and he’s going to look at

9:34

his own base his own you know financial

9:37

and political support here so I wonder

9:39

last night at that press conference

9:41

again we all sat there Gob smacked with

9:42

our Jaws open dropped um but when a

9:46

reporter asked him about the West Bank

9:48

does this mean you’re going to be you

9:50

know perhaps um opening the door to

9:53

annexation uh for Israel of the lands

9:55

that they call Judea and Samaria

9:57

promised to them they believe in the

9:59

Bible

10:00

he did not agree with that he said we’ll

10:02

decide in the next four weeks so let’s

10:03

see what happens let’s also see what

10:05

happens we’ve got the leader of Jordan

10:07

and Egypt coming next week and the week

10:09

after that they’re already dialing back

10:12

some of the promises made last night and

10:14

I think that we’re going to see more of

10:15

that to come today I wanted to ask you

10:18

about that because Saudi Arabia amongst

10:20

many others has has rejected any efforts

10:23

to displace Palestinians and said it

10:26

would not uh establish diplomatic ties

10:29

with Israel which of course has been a

10:31

trump ambition without an independent

10:33

Palestinian state so might the president

10:36

have shot himself in the foot with

10:39

this I mean not fatally he’ll just wrap

10:41

up his foot and keep you know blundering

10:43

forward that’s his that’s his Mo look he

10:46

was shot in the ear and he just turned

10:47

around and said fight fight right so

10:49

what he did instead his press secretary

10:51

came out today and said oh no it’s

10:52

temporary and it would be voluntary

10:55

right if if there’s any kind of

10:56

displacement of the population it’s a

10:58

humanitarian gesture

11:00

there are War zones all over the world

11:02

and people do flood out of those zones

11:04

to Safe places so he’s trying to frame

11:06

it in that sense he’s also telling his

11:08

own republicans in Congress um they were

11:11

unhappy with what they saw last night

11:13

that there’ll be no blood and no

11:15

treasure no us boots on the ground um

11:17

and the the United States won’t pay for

11:19

it so again this is just this is what he

11:21

does you could almost say perhaps this

11:24

is too generous or charitable that he

11:26

was you know performing CPR on the peace

11:28

process and those chest compressions

11:30

break some ribs I did want to talk about

11:33

that do do you see this proposal having

11:35

any effect on the the current ceasefire

11:37

deal in

11:39

Gaza well in some ways you could say it

11:42

it protects Netanyahu from his political

11:45

Rivals um you know from bolting from

11:47

that uh Alliance that he has the

11:49

Coalition and it gives him the

11:51

maneuverability to make some concessions

11:53

so that we can keep getting the hostages

11:55

out I do believe Trump Prides himself on

11:57

delivering um and he did promised that

11:59

all the hostages would be um you know

12:01

released from Gaza there’s an American

12:03

who won’t be released until the Final

12:05

Phase so I think perhaps that that’s one

12:07

of the goals of of that press conference

12:09

last night it’s kind of you know how do

12:12

you square that Circle we’ve been asking

12:13

ourselves that for all these months you

12:15

call the circle a square and only Trump

12:17

has a the nerve to do something like

12:19

that thank you for uh guiding us through

12:22

that so clearly fascinating analysis uh

12:24

Middle East analyst Laura Blumenfeld

12:26

from John Hopkin University

12:30

thank you countries and organizations

12:33

around the world have overwhelmingly

12:35

rejected US president Donald Trump’s

12:37

declaration that the US would quote take

12:39

over the Gaza Strip he outlined his

12:41

controversial plan for the war ravaged

12:43

Palestinian territory on Tuesday that

12:46

was after a meeting with Israeli Prime

12:48

Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Trump said

12:50

the US will quote own Gaza while gazans

12:53

will be resettled to Jordan and Egypt he

12:55

suggested that people from all over the

12:57

world would live in Gaza and that the

12:59

narrow Enclave along the Mediterranean

13:00

will be redeveloped into the Riviera of

13:03

the Middle

13:04

East the idea has been criticized as

13:07

illegal under inter international law

13:09

and it runs counter to the widely

13:11

supported two-state solution to the

13:12

Israeli Palestinian conflict the

13:14

simplist response has come from

13:16

Palestinians themselves many of who many

13:19

of whom say that Gaza is their land and

13:21

they’re not going

13:23

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13:25

anywhere Palestinians in Gaza reject

13:28

Donald Trump shock proposal to take over

13:31

the

13:33

territory Trump will fail and the

13:35

countries that support Trump will fail

13:37

we are against this decision let him go

13:39

and implement this decision with the

13:42

Jews we won’t leave our land and our

13:45

country we’re living here despite the

13:46

destruction we’re

13:49

here dying here is better it is better

13:52

than going anywhere

13:54

else because you have nothing after

13:56

losing your land country and home

14:01

meanwhile in Israel some approve of

14:03

Trump’s plan but many are

14:07

skeptical I think uh that the plan can

14:10

work I think that people uh will uh will

14:15

think about uh Prosperity about uh

14:18

becoming a um good citizens and they

14:23

live normal life and they will like it

14:27

it sounds a bit disconnected from

14:28

reality

14:29

on the other hand Gaza is currently in

14:31

Ruins if something organized and logical

14:33

is done where they are relocated the way

14:35

our evacuees were placed in reasonable

14:37

locations with good conditions

14:39

rehabilitated and then returned it makes

14:42

sense I don’t think it’s a visible

14:48

plan I don’t see it as a solution just

14:51

as it’s impossible to relocate Israelis

14:53

to other

14:56

countries and here in Germany the

14:59

president shared a similar

15:02

sentiment that’s why I still believe

15:04

that a solution can only be found if two

15:08

goals are

15:11

pursued firstly to ensure security for

15:13

Israel and secondly

15:17

self-determination for the

15:19

Palestinians palestin asked about the

15:22

backlash to his proposal Trump responded

15:24

everybody loves it us allies in the

15:27

region have condemned the proposal one

15:30

as has the United

15:33

Nations Aaron David Miller is a former

15:36

adviser to six us secretaries of state

15:38

and currently a senior fellow at the

15:40

Carnegie Endowment for International

15:41

Peace he’s among America’s foremost

15:43

experts on US policy in the Middle East

15:46

Mr Miller welcome back to

15:48

DW thanks for having me you wrote on X

15:51

that Trump’s idea that the US should

15:53

take control of Gaza that this was Dead

15:55

on Arrival um can you spell that out for

15:57

us

15:59

yeah it’s not a plan and it’s certainly

16:01

not a serious solution it’s a tactic and

16:04

I’m not entirely sure what that tactic

16:06

is designed to achieve it’s provocative

16:10

it attaches US policy toward a an

16:14

approach which According to some is

16:16

forced transfer others uh describe it in

16:19

much worse terms it undermines us

16:22

relations with two long-standing

16:24

partners in Egypt and Jordan it

16:26

undermines the president’s aspirations

16:28

for an Israeli s normalization agreement

16:30

and it sends a powerful signal to both

16:33

um Vladimir Putin and president XI that

16:37

if you want territory you just have to

16:38

declare it uh without any justification

16:41

for taking it so I think by and large

16:44

it’s Dead on Arrival uh I don’t think

16:47

this has legs it’s got nowhere to go uh

16:50

and what we should be paying attention

16:52

to which the media misses about the uh

16:55

the meeting the presser yesterday are

16:57

two things number one the meeting and

16:59

melding of the minds of Benjamin

17:01

Netanyahu and Donald Trump on one hand

17:04

and the current

17:05

negotiations uh that are to resume on

17:08

the Israeli Hamas ceasefire hostage deal

17:11

that is the mechanism right now for

17:13

better for worse which will speak

17:16

volumes about whether the region

17:18

continues with an impass or Begins the

17:20

long and painful road to recovery not

17:23

some cockamamy scheme to deport

17:26

according to the president’s figures 1.

17:28

7 1.8 million

17:31

Palestinians uh and put them in go in

17:34

Egypt in Jordan the Israeli press is

17:37

reporting that the Trump Administration

17:39

is considering Morocco at puntland which

17:42

is in Northwestern Somalia and Somali

17:45

land so I I think this is not serious

17:48

and frankly it’s going nowhere okay well

17:50

let’s talk about Netanyahu because he

17:52

was at this press conference when Trump

17:53

made this somewhat surprise announcement

17:56

um he was standing there watching Trump

17:58

talk some videos uh show that there’s

18:01

speculation that he was also caught off

18:03

guard he did praise Trump for thinking

18:05

outside the box but that’s about as far

18:07

as he went do you think even Netanyahu

18:09

believes that the plan is unworkable and

18:11

what do you think Netanyahu uh feels

18:14

about this plan oh I think again we’re

18:17

focusing on the plan and not the real

18:20

takeaway from the NATO Trump visit look

18:23

Benjamin netan is leaving the White

18:24

House as one of the happiest humans on

18:26

the

18:27

planet he’s virtually got a green light

18:30

from the president we won’t know exactly

18:33

what they talked about in terms of the

18:35

negotiations but he’s taking home a

18:37

tough set of talking points that he can

18:39

use in order to keep his uh right-wing

18:42

government uh in office I think Trump is

18:45

willing to give him a fair amount of

18:47

margin on the West Bank certainly from

18:49

secur security point of view no

18:51

annexation at least for now and in Gaza

18:54

it’s yet clear to me whether or not

18:56

Netanyahu is serious about making the

18:58

trans transition from phase one to phase

19:00

two uh in American collo colloquial

19:04

jargon this this was a meeting of the

19:06

two Bros and it clearly showed praising

19:10

Donald Trump and um no criticism not the

19:13

slightest Edge from Donald Trump about a

19:17

guy who he doesn’t trust he doesn’t like

19:20

and with whom he’s had um significant

19:23

issues during the first Trump

19:25

Administration and during the four years

19:28

until he assume the presidency again so

19:31

there has been a lot of push back

19:32

against uh this plan uh as far-fetched

19:35

as it sounds the UK Egypt Saudi Arabia

19:39

uh even a lot of Republican uh Hardline

19:42

pro-israeli pro-israeli Republicans in

19:44

the US have criticized a plan saying

19:47

that it basically negates a two-state

19:49

solution and yet uh it’s pretty much

19:52

common knowledge that we’re as far away

19:54

from a two-state solution as we’ve ever

19:56

been do you see that differently do you

19:59

feel like there is um any hope that some

20:01

serious Minds will get together and and

20:03

look at a a serious long-term solution

20:06

here well there’s hope except what there

20:09

isn’t and what’s been missing since the

20:11

last effort frankly to resolve this

20:13

conflict that I happened to be at the

20:15

camp David Summit it’s 24 years ago in

20:18

July of 2000 where Bill Clinton Yas rad

20:21

and a Barack wrestled with the five core

20:23

issues Jerusalem border security

20:25

refugees and um end of all conflict in

20:28

claims what you need is leaders mhm on

20:32

the Israeli and Palestinian side who are

20:34

masters of their politics not prisoners

20:35

of their ideologies leaders who are

20:37

willing to understand that a successful

20:40

negotiation requires not an asymmetry of

20:42

power but a balance of Interest leaders

20:44

who are prepared to risk you don’t have

20:46

them and until you do okay we’ll be

20:49

having this conversation again next year

20:51

I’m I’m sad to say Aaron David Miller

20:53

will’ll have to leave it there but

20:54

thanks so much East uh Middle East

20:56

expert and negotiator thanks for talking

20:58

to to

20:59

us thank you

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